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You're always the one that wants to argue or picket people but you still haven't answered my question.
You mentioned you should have said power seats instead of roll up windows so I will address power seats.
Many people could care less whether the seat is power or manual. Kick the seat is power the basic common run-of-the-mill power seat is just fine nobody really cares if it's 8 way or 12 way or whatever they're up to now.
Some people with back issues like lumbar support but that is also available on manual seats.
Then I guess you could get into heated and air conditioned seats which seem to only be available on power seats but once again, most people really don't care. If you get cloth interior you never have to worry about heater or cooled seats because that's the main gripe with leather. They go out and make cars all fancy putting leather interior then by doing this they create a problem which then they have to solve.
I do prefer leather myself but I will say that cloth always holds up better unless you've got a bunch of kids that are spilling juice and pop on them and they're light colored.
I hold up I mean 12 to 20 years down the road to. If you only keep a car 3 to 5 years I doubt that any seat is going to show enough where to be noticeable or to bother anyone.
You can compare any 15 + year old leather seat and its cloth counterpart and the cloth will be in better condition every time if they have seen equal miles and use.
But for most of my car's I will still pick leather. I just want black leather or as dark as possible. Can't stand these light choices and the way so many people buy them so when you're trying to look for a used car it will have lousy tan, cream, or light gray. At least make it dark gray or charcoal.
So back to power seats. The only reason or convenience or benefit I can see to power seats is only if it comes along with memory seats!
This only matters if someone else often drives your vehicle which should never happen. Everyone should have their own car and not drive other people's.
It is much harder to get a power seat without memory back to the exact spot it was then it is to get a manual seat back to the same spot.
So as I said, if someone else drives your vehicle often and you have memory seats power seats are much more convenient than manual unless you're someone who doesn't really care what to see it feels like but most people, that drives them nuts.
So I gave one example of how power seats can be preferred and more convenient in a certain situation.
I have yet to have anyone tell me and other high-tech newer feature that they need or enjoy.
The keyless ignitions... People thought they were neat at first but now people tend to not like them. There have been a great deal of people have problems with dropping someone off and them having the key in their pocket or switching drivers and getting the car back and being unable to restart it because they didn't have the key. Car should have never went to this. It's just asking for additional no starts and inviting theft of the high-tech nature because it's kind of fun to hack into things and when. Popping a lock or picking the wafers in ignition is not nearly as much fun I was doing it with a laptop or a tablet.
I can see how some people might like the parking AIDS but I don't really know if you'd call that current new high-tech as a been around for 20-plus years. If you commonly back into a garage or something it would be nice to be able to get very close without touching the wall but there are much cheaper and easier ways to do this that people figured out a long time in their garage. However, for those who aren't very good drivers it might be convenient so they don't touch someone's bumper in a parking lot.
If you're that poor of a driver then you should just stay at home or maybe call Uber or Lyft but I hate those services and will never ever ever, ever ever ever ever ever support them or any services like them.
Let me get my milk crate out here and we'll call the Soap Box and I will go off about those, nope! Psych! Just kidding.
So what else is so necessary that you just can't live without it and it's worth the extra 10 to $15,000 or more that these cars cost to get these cool snazzy features?
It's certainly can't be adaptive cruise control because that is the worst thing I've ever seen in my life!
Plain old cruise is fine but I drove a 2019 and a 2020 Corolla that had it and they both sucked.
I just turned it off and used my foot.
Also can't stand the lane monitoring sensors either!
People get dependent on that crap and we had many hours of nasty weather in the 2020 Corolla and it was only working about 30 to 40% of the time. People get used to that and don't have to worry because the car will drive back into the lane but then when the little eyeballs get covered up with slush and dirt you'll go right off the road.
Infotainment and safety bull crap. This is why I don't want newer cars. Most of the new Styles as someone else pointed out look like a melted turd anyways and they all look the same.
I give credit when somebody does a good job like the 4Runner design from like 10 or 11 on up. It looks much better than the old ones did. But that's just my opinion, some people probably hate it and want a brand new one just like their 2005.
I haven't seen a new car in a while that looked good. It's like maybe one out of 40 + or more.
The new Corvette is a fine-looking vehicle. It does look like a Ferrari but that's a good thing. Make it look like a Lambo and it'll be even better because they always get my attention more than any other car I've ever seen.
The new Mustang in the Camaro might as well be squeezed out of the same pop chute tube.
The Challenger is great looking because it is so retro like the 1970.
The charger was not! They just wanted to cash in on the name with a four-door car. It's an okay automobile and the upgrade with the LEDs across the whole rear in the the tail lights was an improvement but it's still got too many doors to be a charger.
If they hadn't already used the name Magnum, that would have been a good one for it.
It seems like every sedan and every smaller size SUV or CUV as they call them look like twins or at least sisters even though they're different companies.
I know that car manufacturers have always done this but maybe not to this extreme. If you think back in the fifties and sixties it was the same old song and dance. You can look at a 62 Chevy, a 62 Ford and a 62 Chrysler and they're very similar. When one car company went from square to round or from round to square...they all did.
Back to new car features. How come they all don't have Auto Windows? Some do. Some 2002/2003 still. The why do most definitely have the driver's window and maybe if you're lucky the passenger front window to. I want all four Windows to be Auto. They already have the setup tour if you roll it up on somebody's arm and it feels resistance it will go down which causes problems in the future but I really don't like having to push a bunch of buttons and hold them for 5 or 6 seconds hoping and making sure they go all the way up. Why haven't they invented a one press button that rolls all your windows up and shut your sunroof. It would be the close up button. Mercedes used to have this way back in 1990. You can point your infrared remote towards your car and hold the button it would roll up all your windows and shut your moonroof.
That was a cool feature but then of course they had to go and use vacuum for door locks. What idiots!
So all this high-tech money and they can't take care of the simple things like Auto windows or all out of Windows at the touch of one button. Tell me again how these manufacturers are so smart and how they know what people want. I simply don't believe it. I have never been questioned or polled about what features I'd like to see on a car yet I take lots of surveys.
Probably one of the reason I despise new cars so much. If they would listen to people and do more than just throw us a little tiny bone or even dog treat, maybe I might be more inclined to possibly buy a newer vehicle or even a new in one of these days, nah... I'm way too cheap
