aggiegrad05
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"Transverse" in this context. As opposed to "longitudinal".
Mid-engine?
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WTF are talking about?!?! give up!
JExpedition07
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I have no concrete paperwork/ files on a 4th gen. Ford manual says mine (3rd gen) is front engine, original article on the 3rd gen has a cutaway of the chassis. Front engine only here.
If Further proof is needed if I walk to the front of my vehicle and open the hood....whoa! An engine!
Anybody with a 4th gen who can confirm there is indeed an engine up front? I have a hunch it’s also got an engine under the hood.
If Further proof is needed if I walk to the front of my vehicle and open the hood....whoa! An engine!
Anybody with a 4th gen who can confirm there is indeed an engine up front? I have a hunch it’s also got an engine under the hood.
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Is the engine behind the front axle? That makes it technically a mid engine. PERIOD!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_mid-engine,_front-wheel-drive_layout
You could now argue if its a front-mid engine....which is true, but still "mid-engine" which means engine between axles...."mid-engine" does NOT define if in front or behind driver....
Cant give uo this thread (as requested by edizzble), because I won...lol....only looser can give up...haha
PS: Why I think it's cool?
In the 80s the world rally sport had these crazy Group B cars. Look at a recent Jay Leno episode where he drives a Lancia. Walter Röhrl, a world champion, advocated that Audi builds the Quattro as a Front-mid engine car. However. the Quattro short was a "standard" front engine and could not hold the water against Peugeot and Lancia which were "rear-mid" concepts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_mid-engine,_front-wheel-drive_layout
You could now argue if its a front-mid engine....which is true, but still "mid-engine" which means engine between axles...."mid-engine" does NOT define if in front or behind driver....
Cant give uo this thread (as requested by edizzble), because I won...lol....only looser can give up...haha
PS: Why I think it's cool?
In the 80s the world rally sport had these crazy Group B cars. Look at a recent Jay Leno episode where he drives a Lancia. Walter Röhrl, a world champion, advocated that Audi builds the Quattro as a Front-mid engine car. However. the Quattro short was a "standard" front engine and could not hold the water against Peugeot and Lancia which were "rear-mid" concepts.
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10% of the engine hangs forward of the front axles. It is NOT mid engine.
also 10% of the motor is forward of the front axles soooooooooooo
also who gives a shit!!!!
I never said it did define whether in front or behind the driver, the definition said most mid engine whirled are behind the driver which is true. At least today.
also 10% of the motor is forward of the front axles soooooooooooo
also who gives a shit!!!!
carymccarr
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Grey ghost
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Front wheels used as the drive wheels are best described as wrong wheel drive.
And my C3 Corvettes engine sits behind the front wheels also and is not a mid engine car.
And my C3 Corvettes engine sits behind the front wheels also and is not a mid engine car.
Flexpedition
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Does a 2WD 4th gen Expedition even have a front axle?
Yes, it is! ;-)
kind of a narrow minded view....not all cars are hauling trucks or sports cars. Front wheel drive has 100s of benefits for the intended application...
@edizzle I agree with your statements, but why do you engage if you dont give a shit ...lol...
aggiegrad05
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While I agree this discussion is unbelievably inane, I generally agree with @Tom T .
Just because an engine is underneath a hood in front of the driver doesn't mean it's not mid-engine. Check out the list of FMR (front mid-engine rear-wheel drive) examples here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-engine_design#FMR_layout_–_Front_Mid-engine_/_Rear-wheel_drive
On that list you will see the Viper, the Corvette (gen's 2 thru 7), the F150 with the 3.5 Ti-VCT V6 motor, and other vehicles you wouldn't normally think of as mid-engined...but they are.
See, here's a picture of a C4 Corvette (corrected, it’s not a C7, thank you @Grey ghost) with the engine behind the front axle, i.e. mid-engined:
This is a stupid discussion, however, because FMR is generally considered a subset of FR, meaning a front mid-engined vehicle is also a front-engined vehicle. And because these vehicles are clearly front engine.
Just because an engine is underneath a hood in front of the driver doesn't mean it's not mid-engine. Check out the list of FMR (front mid-engine rear-wheel drive) examples here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-engine_design#FMR_layout_–_Front_Mid-engine_/_Rear-wheel_drive
On that list you will see the Viper, the Corvette (gen's 2 thru 7), the F150 with the 3.5 Ti-VCT V6 motor, and other vehicles you wouldn't normally think of as mid-engined...but they are.
See, here's a picture of a C4 Corvette (corrected, it’s not a C7, thank you @Grey ghost) with the engine behind the front axle, i.e. mid-engined:
This is a stupid discussion, however, because FMR is generally considered a subset of FR, meaning a front mid-engined vehicle is also a front-engined vehicle. And because these vehicles are clearly front engine.
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carymccarr
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No according to GM/Chevy
aggiegrad05
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Well according to a lot of manufacturers, these are coupes:
(Yes, the last one is a Toyota C-HR...the C stands for Coupe)
And you can order a Porsche Taycan Turbo even though it doesn't have a turbo....or an engine.
So it's obvious that relying on automobile manufacturers to know what english words mean is a losing proposition.
In any case, I am not going to argue about it because it 100% does not matter.
carymccarr
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Well according to a lot of manufacturers, these are coupes:
(Yes, the last one is a Toyota C-HR...the C stands for Coupe)
And you can order a Porsche Taycan Turbo even though it doesn't have a turbo....or an engine.
So it's obvious that relying on automobile manufacturers to know what english words mean is a losing proposition.
In any case, I am not going to argue about it because it 100% does not matter.
You’re consuming marketing naming conventions with tech specs but regardless, as you say, doesn’t matter.
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Grey ghost
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The only benefit to run wrong wheel drive cars is they're cheaper to build.
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Grey ghost
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That's a c4 ZR1 Corvette. And wikidikipedia is not the definitive word on this subjectWhile I agree this discussion is unbelievably inane, I generally agree with @Tom T .
Just because an engine is underneath a hood in front of the driver doesn't mean it's not mid-engine. Check out the list of FMR (front mid-engine rear-wheel drive) examples here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-engine_design#FMR_layout_–_Front_Mid-engine_/_Rear-wheel_drive
On that list you will see the Viper, the Corvette (gen's 2 thru 7), the F150 with the 3.5 Ti-VCT V6 motor, and other vehicles you wouldn't normally think of as mid-engined...but they are.
See, here's a picture of a C7 Corvette with the engine behind the front axle, i.e. mid-engined:
This is a stupid discussion, however, because FMR is generally considered a subset of FR, meaning a front mid-engined vehicle is also a front-engined vehicle.
aggiegrad05
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Meh, I was close enough on the corvette gen...ha!
How about this: https://jalopnik.com/some-idiots-i-work-with-dont-believe-in-front-mid-engin-1797071745
It even mentions vettes.
JExpedition07
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These are not mid-front engine vehicles, they are front engine vehicles. I just changed my oil today and can tell you the engine does NOT sit behind the front axle. It is over and forward of it. Hence no it is in no variety a mid engine vehicle.
thanks much for the confirmation. Last time I charged the battery, the topic came to my mind and I was just wondering.....yeah its inane....but in the big scheme, this whole forum is not earth-moving....but that does not mean its not fun to discuss our Expys. Which btw love every time I drive in it. 11k miles now in 4months. My first SUV (and a SUV is for me a body on frame btw...which is another discussion...lol)
After all this car is hard to beat when it comes to classic looks....just amazing...and same wheel size like my black rhinos on my expo...lol
quote from wikipedia" Ferrari has stated that the front-engine, rear wheel-drive V12 vehicle platform—part of the brand's heritage—is not easy to refine and has presented various developmental challenges."
(quote has an error by not stating front-mid...lol)
I guess that's why the new corvette went mid-rear engine....just it does not look anymore as good imho
quote from wikipedia" Ferrari has stated that the front-engine, rear wheel-drive V12 vehicle platform—part of the brand's heritage—is not easy to refine and has presented various developmental challenges."
(quote has an error by not stating front-mid...lol)
I guess that's why the new corvette went mid-rear engine....just it does not look anymore as good imho
