not a recovery point

[joethefordguy]

I'm always amazed when somebody thinks a bumper is good place to attach a recovery strap.

 

[Gary Waugh]

it is if you want to twist and remove the bumper!!

 

[Boostedbus]

I'm always amazed when somebody thinks a bumper is good place to attach a recovery strap.

No not on modern day vehicles. I have in the past towed a skid loader with a backhoe attachment on a 2” ball bolted to the factory step bumper on my old 79 F250 without a hitch. Literally without a hitch. I’m a little older and wiser now to try and risk it. The rental company let it leave like that and they also loaded it on a single axle trailer with no brakes. Their double axle trailer was rented out at the time. I didn’t have far to tow it at least, about 10 miles. Thanks to Lady Luck I made it to cemetery where my job was digging a foundation for a utility building, in my truck and not in a hearse. That old truck was a tough one and always came through.

 

[joethefordguy]

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[joethefordguy]

If this is the wrong place to post questions about recovering stuck vehicles, please let me know where I should be posting.

I'm adding recovery equipment to my offroad kit. I can find a kinetic strap/rope with a MBS of over 200,000 pounds, which makes me wonder about shackles, etc. ultimately, I'll be putting a load on frame members or control arms.

does anyone know what the load limit is for such components? a 200,000 pound jerk strap is nifty, but not if all I do is pull a subframe off an SUV or some such.

 

[Trainmaster]

Perhaps the best recovery point is a factory hitch receiver, and then try to follow the ratings for trailer towing capacity. The snatch strap is fine, as long as you understand that it's capable of doing some serious harm to you or to your stuff if you get silly with it. Stretch it real tight and watch the action unfold in your rearview mirror.

Ever see a train run over a tire? I've seen them stretch like an 80-foot long rubber band. Eventually they let go and all hell breaks loose.

 

[joethefordguy]

Anybody else have an actual answer?

 

[Lou Hamilton]

Well, the Expedition has front tow hooks (if 4x4) and the rear hitch receiver. Other than that, not sure what your question is.

The traditional straps will be more hard on your vehicles than the kinetic straps. I think the kinetic straps are smarter for quick “jerks” when pulling out of a stuck situation. The traditional tow straps are going for constant pulling.

Just my opinion on the subject matter.


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[Gary Waugh]

Anybody else have an actual answer?

You might want to rephrase your question, it reads like a statement not a question, so myself and many others just agreed with it. If you are asking the best way to pull/tow an expedition I would suggest asking that specific question.

 

[joethefordguy]

You might want to rephrase your question, it reads like a statement not a question, so myself and many others just agreed with it. If you are asking the best way to pull/tow an expedition I would suggest asking that specific question.

A specific question? how about what I asked in my post: "does anyone know what the load limit is for such components?"

like that? that's a direct copy from my original post. Please don't reword my question; I wasn't asking the best way... for anything. I asked a specific question.

don't criticize others because you cannot read english.

 

[joethefordguy]

Well, the Expedition has front tow hooks (if 4x4) and the rear hitch receiver. Other than that, not sure what your question is.

The traditional straps will be more hard on your vehicles than the kinetic straps. I think the kinetic straps are smarter for quick “jerks” when pulling out of a stuck situation. The traditional tow straps are going for constant pulling.

Just my opinion on the subject matter.


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i don't understand why anyone is "not sure what my question is". I actually typed these words in my post:

"does anyone know what the load limit is for such components? "​

how are you confused? I would have thought spacing it out on a line by itself and finishing with a question mark would have helped. should I bold it as well?

 

[Lou Hamilton]

i don't understand why anyone is "not sure what my question is". I actually typed these words in my post:

"does anyone know what the load limit is for such components? "​

how are you confused? I would have thought spacing it out on a line by itself and finishing with a question mark would have helped. should I bold it as well?

Based on on something I read in the F-150 group when I was researching, the front tow hooks are rated at 10K pounds each at a constant tow or something. This is solely based on the stock bolts. Some have upgraded to a different tensity bolt and feel it rated at a higher value.

They started getting into specific when used in a pyrometrics manner versus static. I tuned out at that point. LOL

The rear hitch is about 9300 pounds.

Both are connected to the frame, not bumper. This should certainly help with strength where the bolts or welds will probably fail before the actual components.

If you are talking about other vehicles when discussing axle and control arms, it probably depends. A small low power, low torque car doesn’t need as hefty components as a Super Duty truck.

Your question is still not 100% clear on whether you are asking about the Expedition or other cars that you may be pulling out from being stuck.


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[joethefordguy]

... Your question is still not 100% clear on whether you are asking about the Expedition or other cars that you may be pulling out from being stuck. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

very good point. it simply never occurred to me. but thanks, you've been by far the most informative so far. not that it was a high bar... at least you actually read the question.

Making the wild assumption that your numbers are going to be a general approximation across the board, that tells me what I wanted to know. There's no point in buying a quarter million pound jerk strap... I can reasonably settle for something in the 20 thousand pound range and be assured of handling anything i might come across without tearing one of us apart. Which is very good, since the higher capacity straps are very expen$ive. a couple of 20K pound straps I can do.

thanks

 

[Lou Hamilton]

very good point. it simply never occurred to me. but thanks, you've been by far the most informative so far. not that it was a high bar... at least you actually read the question.

Making the wild assumption that your numbers are going to be a general approximation across the board, that tells me what I wanted to know. There's no point in buying a quarter million pound jerk strap... I can reasonably settle for something in the 20 thousand pound range and be assured of handling anything i might come across without tearing one of us apart. Which is very good, since the higher capacity straps are very expen$ive. a couple of 20K pound straps I can do.

thanks

Not sure those high numbered straps are really designed for light duty trucks/SUVs. My guess is more like the tow truck/recovery industry.

Which one are you looking at? Yank-um? Bubba? Generic Amazon? Other?


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[Trainmaster]

According to Ford: "These hooks should never have a load applied to them greater than the gross vehicle weight rating of your vehicle."

I think the trucks have a GVW of about 7,400 lbs.

My assumption is that the "D-Hook" itself is probably good for about 30,000 lbs. The Ford ones are about the best around. I'd consider the limit on the bolts to be maybe 8,500 - 10,000 though. Just rule-of-thumb principles I applied when rerailing trains. The bolts (their stamped retaining nuts) mounting point would be the weak point on these if it were not a straight pull.

So you could probably lift the front end of the truck with them, yank it out of a ditch, but not too much more unless you want to risk breaking or bending things.

A good link with basic capacities and some videos of rigging equipment:
https://www.westechrigging.com/rigging-hardware.html

 

[joethefordguy]

Yankum, amazon... everything. you’re right about the industry straps; i wanted to know more about their suitability. I used to do recovery in the army; the boom for a tank would outweigh smaller vehicles, like the old jeep. But we did not use kinetic recovery.

 

[Trainmaster]

The problem with "kinetic recovery" is that things can get very much out of hand very quickly, which is probably why the Army didn't do it.

Kind of cowboy stuff.

 

[joethefordguy]

The problem with "kinetic recovery" is that things can get very much out of hand very quickly, which is probably why the Army didn't do it.

Kind of cowboy stuff.

wrong.

 

[Vancouver Bob]

I'm no expert but doing a quick search and seeing what's being said in some of the 4x4 forums, sizing the breaking point of the kinetic rope for 3-4X the gross vehicle weight seems to be the way to go.

These are very cool to see in action. I've never used one, only used tow straps. But yea, connecting to a strong enough point is key otherwise parts get ripped off .

 

[joethefordguy]

I'm no expert but doing a quick search and seeing what's being said in some of the 4x4 forums, sizing the breaking point of the kinetic rope for 3-4X the gross vehicle weight seems to be the way to go.

These are very cool to see in action. I've never used one, only used tow straps. But yea, connecting to a strong enough point is key otherwise parts get ripped off .

awesome! that's the kind of info I've been looking for.
thanks, man.