Problems with the 3.5L Turbo Engines 2015-17???

[Fred Moore]

I just joined the forum and am learning a lot. Thanks to all who share.

I have a 2017 Expedition King Ranch, with all the HD towing capabilities. I just purchased a 33' travel trailer with a dry weight of 5600lbs. I bought the trailer from a man I work with that I know to be very meticulous in his upkeep of things. The trailer is immaculate.

He towed it with an older Expedition, and I had no issues pulling it from his house to mine. We are a couple weeks from our first time out with it, and am wondering if those with similar rigs have recommendations for the Expy or for towing in general. I have a good Reese Weight Distribution hitch.

Specifically, I'm wondering if there are suspension upgrades that have proven useful.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Adieu]

Sorry, canon says a 4 door Bronco ain't a Bronco. Imagine a 4 door Mustang....just try.

Debadge a Lincoln Continental, add a wing in back and a pony up front

 

[coolzzy]

I just joined the forum and am learning a lot. Thanks to all who share.

I have a 2017 Expedition King Ranch, with all the HD towing capabilities. I just purchased a 33' travel trailer with a dry weight of 5600lbs. I bought the trailer from a man I work with that I know to be very meticulous in his upkeep of things. The trailer is immaculate.

He towed it with an older Expedition, and I had no issues pulling it from his house to mine. We are a couple weeks from our first time out with it, and am wondering if those with similar rigs have recommendations for the Expy or for towing in general. I have a good Reese Weight Distribution hitch.

Specifically, I'm wondering if there are suspension upgrades that have proven useful.

Thanks in advance.

Just get your WD hitch dialed in and setup correctly. Expect tons of rear suspension sag until you have the weight bars on, I use 1k pound bars and it keeps my expy level with 900+ pounds of tongue weight plus gear in the truck.

 

[chuck s]

Equalizer (brand) 10,000/1000 pound hitch has built in sway control, no slider bars that have to be removed before backing, no chains, etc. Been on my trailer and trucks (plural) for 15 seasons. Tongue weight hovers about 700 pounds with my Roo 23SS travel trailer.

-- Chuck

 

[Captain Kirk]

I thought I read somewhere that the 17' engine didn't have the carbon problems?

 

[TDGFordGuy]

Looks like we're getting off track; I'm sure you can find more info on this topic in other threads. But... here we go.

Mine has the Rear Load-Leveling Air Suspension and about 1 minute after dumping all the tongue weight on the rear end; the truck levels out and then I install the weight distribution bars. Since AAA did deem mine a Total Loss from the repair shop damage; I'm not finding very many Expy in CA with the Air Suspension. It's great for towing and for making the non-hauling ride so smooth.

 

[08navigator]

I will say the 2015 being a "new model year" seems to have more issues than others. Not so much with the engine but other things. Our 15 navigator has had a lot of warranty work done on it. We bought it with 34k miles and it now has 46k miles on it. We have had the following:

Right rear shock blew out on the drive home(ccd suspension)

Front driveshaft differential seal leaked and was replaced

Front driveshaft CV boot ripped and driveshaft was replaced

Water pump leaked and was replaced

4wd actuators replaced twice, hubs replaced once

We have the cold start engine rattle also. It's intermittent at this time so we are waiting until it starts occuring more often.

We also had a rattle that sounded like a shopping cart under the suv while going downhill and applying the brakes. Turned out that the heat shield was clanking against the exhaust.

This is all under warranty so I am grateful for that. I'm hoping it's all fixed at this point since we are keeping this SUV until it dies

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[TDGFordGuy]

I will say the 2015 being a "new model year" seems to have more issues than others. Not so much with the engine but other things. Our 15 navigator has had a lot of warranty work done on it. We bought it with 34k miles and it now has 46k miles on it. We have had the following:

Right rear shock blew out on the drive home(ccd suspension)

Front driveshaft differential seal leaked and was replaced

Front driveshaft CV boot ripped and driveshaft was replaced

Water pump leaked and was replaced

4wd actuators replaced twice, hubs replaced once

We have the cold start engine rattle also. It's intermittent at this time so we are waiting until it starts occuring more often.

We also had a rattle that sounded like a shopping cart under the suv while going downhill and applying the brakes. Turned out that the heat shield was clanking against the exhaust.

This is all under warranty so I am grateful for that. I'm hoping it's all fixed at this point since we are keeping this SUV until it dies

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Fix Or Repair Daily.... UGH, You definatly didn't get a Wednesday truck. Thanks for the very useful info. My 2013 Taurus (3.5L) has the same exhaust rattle but more often. Super loud outside the car, can't hear it at all from inside with windows up. Oil preasure sensor was leaking giving me low oil preasure light progressivly more often. Changed it with FoMoCo part, all better.

 

[08navigator]

I've actually had great luck with Fords and so has my Dad. It's not until I got into the full size SUV game that I started having issues with the vehicles. Oh well. Hopefully I won't have anything else besides normal wear and tear

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[TDGFordGuy]

I've actually had great luck with Fords and so has my Dad. It's not until I got into the full size SUV game that I started having issues with the vehicles. Oh well. Hopefully I won't have anything else besides normal wear and tear

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I'm a Ford guy too, my dad and my grandfather. Grandpa was a Ford mechanic and service mgr for 30+ yrs. He called Chevy a "bucket of bolts" and said he kicks himself often that he didn't buy mustangs when they first came out when his cost was $250!

I have found similar experience as you in the full size ford suv "game". Having owned a 04 Excursion 6.0 and now 2 Expeditions, build quality and comfort feel seems skimped on, like the Expeditions have been Ford's "red headed step child" for a Long time. I saw a (2014?) F150 King Ranch with the leather all over the dash, door panels, pillars, full steering wheel wrap, etc (might have been a custom job). Nothing even close to that on Expy, why not? Especially as sales continued to fall and they keep increasing the price. I mean, how much does it really cost to add 6 sq.ft. of leather to some surfaces to justify the $65k+ price tags?!?

Rant Over.

 

[08navigator]

I'm a Ford guy too, my dad and my grandfather. Grandpa was a Ford mechanic and service mgr for 30+ yrs. He called Chevy a "bucket of bolts" and said he kicks himself often that he didn't buy mustangs when they first came out when his cost was $250!

I have found similar experience as you in the full size ford suv "game". Having owned a 04 Excursion 6.0 and now 2 Expeditions, build quality and comfort feel seems skimped on, like the Expeditions have been Ford's "red headed step child" for a Long time. I saw a (2014?) F150 King Ranch with the leather all over the dash, door panels, pillars, full steering wheel wrap, etc (might have been a custom job). Nothing even close to that on Expy, why not? Especially as sales continued to fall and they keep increasing the price. I mean, how much does it really cost to add 6 sq.ft. of leather to some surfaces to justify the $65k+ price tags?!?

Rant Over.

It's funny to me that my 2014 Ford fusion titanium has touch sensitive door handles to lock and unlock the car as well as rear auto up and down windows but the 2015 Lincoln navigator that cost three times as much has none of that. It's just odd to me. Oh well. It's a beautiful truck so I hope it lasts us a long time

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[bobmbx]

It's funny to me that my 2014 Ford fusion titanium has touch sensitive door handles to lock and unlock the car as well as rear auto up and down windows but the 2015 Lincoln navigator that cost three times as much has none of that. It's just odd to me. Oh well. It's a beautiful truck so I hope it lasts us a long time

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Its called "behavior modification", and its a result of the Feds mandating fuel economy. It is no accident that the biggest (and naturally, the most expensive) vehicles are lacking in certain doo-dads and gadgets. The purpose is to cause the exact feeling you expressed above...'why am I paying more for less?'. Over time, folks will stop paying through the nose for under-equipped expensive vehicles, with their options then being the crappy miniature cars being massed produced right now....that also comply with fuel standards. The big vehicles will always be around, but those will become what they really are...working trucks, not soccer delivery vehicles.

Everyone thinks the "Cross-overs" are for people who are thinking of moving from a car to an SUV. Its the exact opposite. Its for people who want an SUV but can't find one with all the goodies that doesn't cost $80k.

 

[99WhiteC5Coupe]

It's funny to me that my 2014 Ford fusion titanium has touch sensitive door handles to lock and unlock the car as well as rear auto up and down windows but the 2015 Lincoln navigator that cost three times as much has none of that. It's just odd to me. Oh well. It's a beautiful truck so I hope it lasts us a long time

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And I’ll bet your car has individual tire pressure dash readouts, unlike my 2015 Ford Expedition Limited - which only turns on one orange light if any tire pressure is low.

 

[TDGFordGuy]

I think what we all really wanted from Ford was something like this:







Instead we get this FX4 for $70,000!!!! WTF Ford?!?! Talk about destroying brand image....



...or, if you can bend over and spread your cheeks really far apart, Ford might drive this up your @%$ for $85,000... Say it with me, "Just build a 4 Door Bronco!" Hell, Jeep made a 4 door Wrangler....

 

[08navigator]

And I’ll bet your car has individual tire pressure dash readouts, unlike my 2015 Ford Expedition Limited - which only turns on one orange light if any tire pressure is low.

No it just illuminates the low tire pressure light.

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[bobmbx]

I think what we all really wanted from Ford was something like this:

Seriously, you would think the lesson would have been learned on the Mustang. The market wanted Mustangs, not something called a Mustang, or Mustang II, or SVO, or something that sorta resembled a Mustang. It took 30 years or so, but they finally got it.

At least the Bronco looks like it has some off-road bones as compared to the Chevy Blazer.

Mrs. Bobmbx has spent the last 2+ weeks looking for something to replace her Mountaineer, and she stated to me that "they all look the same". I chuckled.

"They are the same", I said. Thats the way Uncle Sam wants it.

 

[TDGFordGuy]

Seriously, you would think the lesson would have been learned on the Mustang. The market wanted Mustangs, not something called a Mustang, or Mustang II, or SVO, or something that sorta resembled a Mustang. It took 30 years or so, but they finally got it.

At least the Bronco looks like it has some off-road bones as compared to the Chevy Blazer.

Mrs. Bobmbx has spent the last 2+ weeks looking for something to replace her Mountaineer, and she stated to me that "they all look the same". I chuckled.

"They are the same", I said. Thats the way Uncle Sam wants it.

So you didn't care for this 4cyl "Mustang"? I believe the same type of CEO is running the company now as back then. Couldn't agree more with your Mrs' statement.

 

[bobmbx]

So you didn't care for this 4cyl "Mustang"? I believe the same type of CEO is running the company now as back then.

Who's driving that car?

 

[jeff kushner]

Thanks for the Pics of the various trucks....but this thread sure has veered wildly off course!

A couple of those trucks pics look nice, a couple only to be driven by someone who hasn't had their first beer or been laid regularly yet ...LOL

Sorry girls, I didn't think you were sexy when I was a kid, still don't....too fake.

My truck runs great @ 75K....and still gets me excited if I choose to stomp it and honestly, even though its a pig at nearly 6,000 pounds, it is one of the best vehicles I've driven at communicating what's happening in a corner. Who da thunk that you can drift an expedition easier than a fusion? I've driven both on the same corners....the fusion could go faster but it took a lot more effort....mental effort to do it....the expy is a "toss & hold" deal....so predictable and smooth and I can switch my turn signals while hanging it out....


Maybe I need new tires?


jeff

 

[chuck s]

Sorry, Jeff, Jacquelyn Smith was the second most beautiful woman in the world in that era. No one ever found the most beautiful.

Gotta love big hair. But the heavy metal bands all had big hair too.

5.0 Fox body Mustang notchback lacked the fastback styling but could be easily made into a very quick car.

-- Chuck