Triton V8 or Ecoboost V6?

[LokiWolf]

or you know, add more boost.

Yep...said that in my original post. Sick of repeating myself for him...So I didn't. Thanks for the assist!!!

 

[JExpedition07]

I agree that it's mostly a matter of preference at this point. I prefer the 5.4 and am happy that we purchased a 2014. That said, people like to feel good about what they bought, and they look for data to support the choice they made, and they tend to ignore data that contradicts their choice. It's just human nature and I'm as guilty of it as anyone. Companies know that, and when they pay for advertising, they aren't just trying to sell a product, they're trying to make people that already made a purchase feel good about it.

One last note: I seldom drive our expedition. That said, we took it on a trip to the beach last week and when the cruise was set at 70 MPH, on hilly terrain it would fluctuate between 65-75 (or worse!). I'm in Georgia, we're not exactly talking about The Rockies here. In my opinion, that's ridiculous, and if the EB maintains a more constant speed, that would be a huge plus in my opinion.

If your cruise is really fluctuating 10mph I'd take it to Ford as that's not normal and is most likely not your engine or anything to do with it.

Your right it's coke vs Pepsi we all prefer what we personally like. They both suffice and are good engines is all I'm trying to say. If you really don't think that you shouldn't be here as the expedition has ran the triton for years and did fine and sold fine and towed fine with it. The ecoboost sells and towes and runs fine as well. I like V8 others like V6 oh well the world goes around.

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

 

[5x10]

If your cruise is really fluctuating 10mph I'd take it to Ford as that's not normal and is most likely not your engine or anything to do with it.

Your right it's coke vs Pepsi we all prefer what we personally like. They both suffice and are good engines is all I'm trying to say. If you really don't think that you shouldn't be here as the expedition has ran the triton for years and did fine and sold fine and towed fine with it. The ecoboost sells and towes and runs fine as well. I like V8 others like V6 oh well the world goes around.

I'm curious to know if you have ever driven an ecoboost?

I'm a life long gm/chevy guy. My dad was the general manager of a chevy dealership so every car I have had was a gm product, up until this ford(I'm 38, got the Ford a few months ago)
We had a Tahoe with 150k miles on it and my wife wanted a newer/larger vehicle
The expeditions were significantly cheaper (both new and used)than the suburbans, she was going to drive it, so I said screw it, let's give the Ford a shot
We found a platinum el nearby, but it had the ecoboost which scared the heck out of me, in addition to it being a ford(understand my bias here)
After some research, talking to owners, etc, I decided to buy it
Never gave it much thought until we had to travel and I was driving it for a longer period of time
That's when I realized how great of an engine it is
I routinely found myself getting to 50mph with no effort at all, wasn't even gassing it that much, and this is a bigger vehicle than the tahoe(5.3l)
I let my father in law drive it while he was watching the kids and when we came to pick him up, I asked him What he thought
He said the engine was nuts!(he's a Ford guy btw), said it reminded him of his turbo diesel expect more quiet
I can see a 6.2l gm engine getting up and going, but I do feel it would be a different ride, due to the higher rpms required to hit the same torque levels , and I'm fairly certain it will cost more
There's still some worry in my mind about the longevity of this turbo engine, carbon deposits, etc
My .02

 

[JExpedition07]

I'm curious to know if you have ever driven an ecoboost?

I'm a life long gm/chevy guy. My dad was the general manager of a chevy dealership so every car I have had was a gm product, up until this ford(I'm 38, got the Ford a few months ago)
We had a Tahoe with 150k miles on it and my wife wanted a newer/larger vehicle
The expeditions were significantly cheaper (both new and used)than the suburbans, she was going to drive it, so I said screw it, let's give the Ford a shot
We found a platinum el nearby, but it had the ecoboost which scared the heck out of me, in addition to it being a ford(understand my bias here)
After some research, talking to owners, etc, I decided to buy it
Never gave it much thought until we had to travel and I was driving it for a longer period of time
That's when I realized how great of an engine it is
I routinely found myself getting to 50mph with no effort at all, wasn't even gassing it that much, and this is a bigger vehicle than the tahoe(5.3l)
I let my father in law drive it while he was watching the kids and when we came to pick him up, I asked him What he thought
He said the engine was nuts!(he's a Ford guy btw), said it reminded him of his turbo diesel expect more quiet
I can see a 6.2l gm engine getting up and going, but I do feel it would be a different ride, due to the higher rpms required to hit the same torque levels , and I'm fairly certain it will cost more
There's still some worry in my mind about the longevity of this turbo engine, carbon deposits, etc
My .02

Just drove one I have a family member who got a new F150 platinum with the 3.5 and he even had me floor it so yes have driven one. I would not worry about the turbo ecoboost being unreliable I think it will be fine it's been around since 11'. I just have that disease when I press down on a V8 that sound just gets me every time. In fact when I floored it he said "didn't it sound like your V8?" I said yea how come? He said "it's through the stereo system to sound like one, all through the speakers". I was surprised they could do that. Carbon build up is the one thing you mention that would concern me as well, there are some FordTechMakuloco videos regarding carbon build up in the ecoboost engines I haven't watched in a long time so I don't know if they have been addressed. I'd say weak spots on the 3.5 are the turbos and possible carbon build up and maybe some issues in the lower end as it runs. Every engine has weak spots though not saying this is abnormal or bad. The triton had weak spots such as VCT solonoids, camphasers, and timing issues. All engines have their soft spots.

 

[5x10]

Just drove one I have a family member who got a new F150 platinum with the 3.5 and he even had me floor it so yes have driven one. I would not worry about the turbo ecoboost being unreliable I think it will be fine it's been around since 11'. I just have that disease when I press down on a V8 that sound just gets me every time. In fact when I floored it he said "didn't it sound like your V8?" I said yea how come? He said "it's through the stereo system to sound like one, all through the speakers". I was surprised they could do that. Carbon build up is the one thing you mention that would concern me as well, there are some FordTechMakuloco videos regarding carbon build up in the ecoboost engines I haven't watched in a long time so I don't know if they have been addressed.

I don't think the carbon is going away, I run a bottle or two of Techron through it once a month, hope that helps over the long run
I didn't know the speakers could replicate the v8 sound

Flooring the ecoboost isn't that great to me, there's a little lag, and your not getting the high rpm scream of the v8, although it's still pretty fast
It's that low rpm torque that I love

 

[JExpedition07]

That is definitely the ecoboosts key asset, that low end torque is definitely a great characteristic to that motor.

 

[TravisDBQ]

I have had a Chevy for about 20 years. In general, Im not a car guy and most of the specs go over my head. That said...I knew that my 2005 Chevy Suburban Z71 was struggling with pulling the camper. I knew that it was a bit of an overload but it has pulled by 33ft camper for a few years without issue other than pulling up steep hills. I needed a new vehicle for a few reason so I started doing some research. I needed a lot more towing capacity and torque and found that the 2015 and newer Expeditions seemed to blow the competition away. I went with 2015 Ford Expedition a few months ago and it amazes me how much easier it pulls the large camper. Hills are no longer an issue at all. It looks great, perfect for hauling my six kids and it pulls the family camper. I am extremely satisfied with my decision.

 

[JExpedition07]

I have had a Chevy for about 20 years. In general, Im not a car guy and most of the specs go over my head. That said...I knew that my 2005 Chevy Suburban Z71 was struggling with pulling the camper. I knew that it was a bit of an overload but it has pulled by 33ft camper for a few years without issue other than pulling up steep hills. I needed a new vehicle for a few reason so I started doing some research. I needed a lot more towing capacity and torque and found that the 2015 and newer Expeditions seemed to blow the competition away. I went with 2015 Ford Expedition a few months ago and it amazes me how much easier it pulls the large camper. Hills are no longer an issue at all. It looks great, perfect for hauling my six kids and it pulls the family camper. I am extremely satisfied with my decision.

Glad to hear you like the expedition Travis. You are correct the expedition has always had a leg up on the competition on towing and hauling capabilities. I was looking at tahoes before I purchased but went with Ford after doing research on GM Vs. Ford six speed transmissions and towing ratings. On the 07-14 both GM and Ford it seems the GM 5.3 is slightly quicker with no weight behind it but you put a load back there and the triton blows the vortec to the wind and I mean the Tahoe will be eating your dust. It's all torque. The triton tows way better than vortec and The 15-17 is only more of a difference now as mentioned with the ecoboosts low end torque. I give Ford props for making an SUV that can actually tow and haul and be an SUV at the same time. Hope your eco lasts you a long time.

 

[5x10]

I have had a Chevy for about 20 years. In general, Im not a car guy and most of the specs go over my head. That said...I knew that my 2005 Chevy Suburban Z71 was struggling with pulling the camper. I knew that it was a bit of an overload but it has pulled by 33ft camper for a few years without issue other than pulling up steep hills. I needed a new vehicle for a few reason so I started doing some research. I needed a lot more towing capacity and torque and found that the 2015 and newer Expeditions seemed to blow the competition away. I went with 2015 Ford Expedition a few months ago and it amazes me how much easier it pulls the large camper. Hills are no longer an issue at all. It looks great, perfect for hauling my six kids and it pulls the family camper. I am extremely satisfied with my decision.

what engine does if have?

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

what engine does if have?

15 on up have the EcoBoost engine.

 

[LokiWolf]

15 on up have the EcoBoost engine.

I think he was asking about the Chevy. 5.3 or 6.2?

 

[chuck s]

The ONLY reason I've had an Expedition (and an Explorer) before that is to tow a camper. Daily driving these daily is comfortable, etc., and an exercise is burning lots of fuel.

The 5.4 vs 3.5 debate is moot unless one is buying a used truck and I'm not willing to buy a truck someone else has rejected (for one reason or another all used vehicles are rejects). I accept the depreciation hit for the warranty. My 2017 V6 is smoother than my wonderful 2007 V8 mainly because it's newer I suspect. City commuting I get maybe 2 - 4 mpg better fuel economy using 87 octane which the ECU can handle easily. 93 octane has a lot more power on the butt-dyno and is reserved for towing.

My '07 had the 3.73 locking axles. The '17 has the 3.11 (?) with no perceived towing difference with my camper.

I laugh sometimes as my wife's Subaru has a bigger (displacement) engine and half the weight.

-- Chuck

 

[LokiWolf]

So, Some clarity...

ALL DI(Direct Injection) Motors have carbon build up issues, not just Ecoboost. Not a Ford issue, but a design issue. Still an issue, but pretty common.

The First gen 3.5TT(What is in 15-17 Expy) is DI. The 2nd Gen 3.5TT(What is in newest F150 and 18 Expy) has both Port Injection and DI. One of the reasons is the build up. The port injection has a secondary action of cleaning the carbon buildup.

Also, Running Techron through won't help much, because it is in the fuel, and because of the DI, the fuel never reaches where the build up is.

 

[LokiWolf]

My '07 had the 3.73 locking axles. The '17 has the 3.11 (?) with no perceived towing difference with my camper.

If you have a regular length and HD Towing and 4x2 it should could be 3.15, but can have 3.31 or 3.73LS as an option. If you have 4x4 and Regular, the 3.31 is standard, 3.73LS is option.

If you have an EL, 3.31 is minimum for 4x2, and 4x4 has the 3.73.

 

[jeff kushner]

All I saw in Travis's post was "perfect for hauling my six kids"

Oh you poor man....3 nearly wore me out...they are the stars of my life....but SIX?

you know how that happens don't you??

LOL God bless you brother!

jeff

 

[Clemson82]

The ONLY reason I've had an Expedition (and an Explorer) before that is to tow a camper. Daily driving these daily is comfortable, etc., and an exercise is burning lots of fuel.

The 5.4 vs 3.5 debate is moot unless one is buying a used truck and I'm not willing to buy a truck someone else has rejected (for one reason or another all used vehicles are rejects). I accept the depreciation hit for the warranty."

Demonstrably false. Not all used vehicles are rejects. Ours was off of a commercial lease. They didn't reject it; they fulfilled their obligation.

Also, you're spending far more on the depreciation than the cost of the warranty if you're considering a new Expedition vs. a 2014 (last 5.4), or probably any year comparable used vehicle.

That said, who wouldn't prefer a new vehicle! I don't begrudge anyone for buying new if they can! Some people here with 2017's (Andy/Jeff) seem to have negotiated really good deals for theirs.

In my opinion, Expeditions are great to buy used if you do your homework though, and if a new vehicle isn't in the budget. Seems to be a lot of car of the money.

 

[JExpedition07]

The ONLY reason I've had an Expedition (and an Explorer) before that is to tow a camper. Daily driving these daily is comfortable, etc., and an exercise is burning lots of fuel.

The 5.4 vs 3.5 debate is moot unless one is buying a used truck and I'm not willing to buy a truck someone else has rejected (for one reason or another all used vehicles are rejects). I accept the depreciation hit for the warranty. My 2017 V6 is smoother than my wonderful 2007 V8 mainly because it's newer I suspect. City commuting I get maybe 2 - 4 mpg better fuel economy using 87 octane which the ECU can handle easily. 93 octane has a lot more power on the butt-dyno and is reserved for towing.

My '07 had the 3.73 locking axles. The '17 has the 3.11 (?) with no perceived towing difference with my camper.

I laugh sometimes as my wife's Subaru has a bigger (displacement) engine and half the weight.

-- Chuck

This is simply so untrue and false. Most of my family members run their trucks for three years and move on just because they want something new and fresh as most people. I couldn't buy a expy for $60,000 that is only worth $35,000 or less after two years. If your worried about a reject don't buy a 15-17 because your at the end of a rejected generation of trucks That is being replaced. Not bashing you for buying new I respect your opinion but all used vehicles aren't rejects. Maybe I'll buy new in a few years but for me now it doesn't make sense.

Clemson is right you can buy an expedition that is a year or two old with no miles on it and still under warranty for EXTREMELY LESS MONEY than new.

 

[ranger024x4]

This is simply so untrue and false. Most of my family members run their trucks for three years and move on just because they want something new and fresh as most people. I couldn't buy a expy for $60,000 that is only worth $35,000 or less after two years. If your worried about a reject don't buy a 15-17 because your at the end of a rejected generation of trucks That is being replaced. Not bashing you for buying new I respect your opinion but all used vehicles aren't rejects. Maybe I'll buy new in a few years but for me now it doesn't make sense.

if it makes you feel any better, I paid 1/2 of what my expedition stickered for and it was only 1 year old lol

 

[JExpedition07]

if it makes you feel any better, I paid 1/2 of what my expedition stickered for and it was only 1 year old lol

Nice job man, that's what I'm talking about.