Tuned Stealth Performance

[ralix]

Hi all,

Has anyone tuned a Stealth Performance engine? If so, do you have any power gain numbers?

Thanks!

 

[2020FordRaptor]

Hi all,

Has anyone tuned a Stealth Performance engine? If so, do you have any power gain numbers?

Thanks!

I'd think the numbers would be very similar to Raptor tines.

 

[rd618]

Hi all,

Has anyone tuned a Stealth Performance engine? If so, do you have any power gain numbers?

Thanks!

There are no tunes out yet for 304a

 

[ralix]

Thanks guys. I reached out to 5 Star, they said they aren't seeling one yet. But Livernois ' response "We do it's the same tuner as the 2022 tuner and runs $799. We are seeing roughly 50-60hp at the wheels with our calibration on the vehicle"

Thank you

 

[Hokieskins]

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[Tripoli]

Thanks guys. I reached out to 5 Star, they said they aren't seeling one yet. But Livernois ' response "We do it's the same tuner as the 2022 tuner and runs $799. We are seeing roughly 50-60hp at the wheels with our calibration on the vehicle"

Thank you

Dealers do tunes now? Does it still void the factory warranty?

 

[jbarnhill]

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[LazSlate]

Dealers do tunes now? Does it still void the factory warranty?

According to a Ford rep it will void certain warranties and almost 100% the powertrain warranty. Since engines are detuned to match the powertrain. Like in Helicopters many share the EXACT same turbine model but they are detuned to adhere with the transmission and rotor requirements.

I would only get a tune out of warranty or if I could remove it with no trace in the event of warranty work.

 

[ExpyNole]

According to a Ford rep it will void certain warranties and almost 100% the powertrain warranty. Since engines are detuned to match the powertrain. Like in Helicopters many share the EXACT same turbine model but they are detuned to adhere with the transmission and rotor requirements.

I would only get a tune out of warranty or if I could remove it with no trace in the event of warranty work.

The Ford rep is wrong, and frankly, incorrect in so many ways. First, nothing 'automatically voids warranty' as the rep implies. If the tune adversely affects the engine in such a manner as to cause powertrain failure directly related to the tune, then sure. It's likely to void the warranty. If your Sync4a fails, that's wholly unrelated to a tuner and would not suffer from voided warranty. IF a fuel injector fails, they would have to PROVE the tune caused it to fail. Again, nothing is automatic. Consumers are protected by law.

Second, the engines are not detuned to protect the powertrain. Every expedition has the 10R80, which is essentially rated to 800 ft-lbs of torque. The SPP engine is 'derated' from raptor levels mainly so raptor is the 'big dog', but the powertrain in every expedition can handle the power levels and a copious amount beyond that. Ask the mustang guys with 10R80's making 800+whp. Nothing internally stronger in those than ours. It's a fantastic transmission...and really benefits from an aftermarket calibration versus the junk stock calibrations.

Honestly, I'm not surprised at the ford rep being wrong. They just aren't trained on this stuff and frankly don't know much about the technical aspects of these vehicles.

Now, with tunes, you *can* remove the tune and reinstall the factory calibration. Did it several times on my F150 with no issues.

 

[LazSlate]

The Ford rep is wrong, and frankly, incorrect in so many ways. First, nothing 'automatically voids warranty' as the rep implies. If the tune adversely affects the engine in such a manner as to cause powertrain failure directly related to the tune, then sure. It's likely to void the warranty. If your Sync4a fails, that's wholly unrelated to a tuner and would not suffer from voided warranty. IF a fuel injector fails, they would have to PROVE the tune caused it to fail. Again, nothing is automatic. Consumers are protected by law.

Second, the engines are not detuned to protect the powertrain. Every expedition has the 10R80, which is essentially rated to 800 ft-lbs of torque. The SPP engine is 'derated' from raptor levels mainly so raptor is the 'big dog', but the powertrain in every expedition can handle the power levels and a copious amount beyond that. Ask the mustang guys with 10R80's making 800+whp. Nothing internally stronger in those than ours. It's a fantastic transmission...and really benefits from an aftermarket calibration versus the junk stock calibrations.

Honestly, I'm not surprised at the ford rep being wrong. They just aren't trained on this stuff and frankly don't know much about the technical aspects of these vehicles.

Now, with tunes, you *can* remove the tune and reinstall the factory calibration. Did it several times on my F150 with no issues.

Totally agree with you. If engines did not benefit from tunes there would be no aftermarket tuners. Also the word TUNE has many meanings. It could alter the shift points and fuel delivery times to suit the needs of the driver and not always have to max out the HP and torque. My concern when in warranty is these companies, "especially" extended warranty companies are looking for every conceivable way to not pay the claim and after market tunes is probably high on their radar.

 

[Tripoli]

I am intrigued by the idea of changing up shift behavior. I'm only at 3,600 miles, but I find the shifting very awkward when making a hard 90 degree turn and then accelerating. It too aggressively upshifts during the turn, then I put my foot down a bit and it lags to shift back down. Badly. I don't need to be in 3rd gear on a 3mph turn. I'm hoping it learns and stops that, but I'm starting to lose hope.

 

[rd618]

IF a fuel injector fails, they would have to PROVE the tune caused it to fail. Again, nothing is automatic. Consumers are protected by law.

This varies state to state. No one is guaranteed a warranty covered replacement. Ford warranty, just like any other company, has a list of stipulations they can pull from to “void” a warranty for components.
I have had tunes on several cars, most good tuning shops actually have their own warranty coverage too.
Occasionally a tune will push some components too far and fail prematurely, it does happen.
You should not expect those to be covered by warranty. If the tune is unrelated to the part in question. Such as Sync4 screen, or power seat control, those components are unrelated and likely won’t even come up in conversation around a tune for engine.
Using a different example, if you have an aftermarket shop sand and paint part of your hood and it rusts 12 m later, ford will not cover that paint under the warranty.
If you tow a 20k lb trailer and you blow a transmission, they will easily void your warranty.

 

[ExpyNole]

This varies state to state. No one is guaranteed a warranty covered replacement. Ford warranty, just like any other company, has a list of stipulations they can pull from to “void” a warranty for components.
I have had tunes on several cars, most good tuning shops actually have their own warranty coverage too.
Occasionally a tune will push some components too far and fail prematurely, it does happen.
You should not expect those to be covered by warranty. If the tune is unrelated to the part in question. Such as Sync4 screen, or power seat control, those components are unrelated and likely won’t even come up in conversation around a tune for engine.
Using a different example, if you have an aftermarket shop sand and paint part of your hood and it rusts 12 m later, ford will not cover that paint under the warranty.
If you tow a 20k lb trailer and you blow a transmission, they will easily void your warranty.

the Magnuson-Moss warranty act is a federal law built to protect consumers from overzealous and evidence-free warranty voiding.

 

[rd618]

the Magnuson-Moss warranty act is a federal law built to protect consumers from overzealous and evidence-free warranty voiding.

I think it’s deceiving to give people a false sense of security. I’m not a lawyer, but that act was not designed to protect people from modifying vehicles, having a component be stressed beyond the intended use, fail, and then guarantee it would be replaced under the warranty. It was intended to avoid deceptive and misleading warranty practices.
Ford complies with listing stipulations clearly. If you modify your vehicle or use it outside its designed limitations, Ford has the right and ability to review and deny warranty claims.
In their review if they determine the tune/modification had no impact on the damaged component, they should replace or repair the part.

 

[Deadman]

Don't forget guys....If Ford denies your warranty because of a modification. YOU have to prove they owe it to you, and their pockets are far deeper than ours, so you will go broke trying to prove their attorneys wrong....

 

[Polo08816]

I think it’s deceiving to give people a false sense of security. I’m not a lawyer, but that act was not designed to protect people from modifying vehicles, having a component be stressed beyond the intended use, fail, and then guarantee it would be replaced under the warranty. It was intended to avoid deceptive and misleading warranty practices.
Ford complies with listing stipulations clearly. If you modify your vehicle or use it outside its designed limitations, Ford has the right and ability to review and deny warranty claims.
In their review if they determine the tune/modification had no impact on the damaged component, they should replace or repair the part.

I usually refrain from powertrain tuning because it is the most expensive component to replace.

 

[ExpyNole]

Don't forget guys....If Ford denies your warranty because of a modification. YOU have to prove they owe it to you, and their pockets are far deeper than ours, so you will go broke trying to prove their attorneys wrong....

Actually, the law is *they* are the ones with burden of proof. They can't just wave a heavy hand and say "Your mod caused it to fail".
Of course, those conversations all require tact and politicking in order not to get the dealer totally ticked at oneself.

 

[Polo08816]

Actually, the law is *they* are the ones with burden of proof. They can't just wave a heavy hand and say "Your mod caused it to fail".
Of course, those conversations all require tact and politicking in order not to get the dealer totally ticked at oneself.

I've seen or heard about it going that way more often than not.

Also for some makes, expensive warranty repairs like replacing a long block may prompt a factory engineer to come out and inspect the item. That takes control away from the dealer.

 

[blkZ28spt]

Actually, the law is *they* are the ones with burden of proof. They can't just wave a heavy hand and say "Your mod caused it to fail".
Of course, those conversations all require tact and politicking in order not to get the dealer totally ticked at oneself.

If you tune your vehicle, and the powertrain fails, that's a slam dunk.

just sayin

 

[JExpedition07]

10R80 warranty is the first to be voided from my understanding. Max input torque is 590 lb ft per design.