What do I need for a diy tranny fluid change?

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Filter, Mercon LV, gasket (and some rando handpump)?

No gasket just filter and fluid?


Or new pan, new gasket, filter, and fluid? Oh and how much fluid?


Internet data seems contradictory, and unlike for my bimmers, I don't see anyone selling one-stop DIY tranny service kits (which is pretty damn strange since one of them uses a nearly identical ZF transmission)
 

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I just bought the gasket (just in case the old one got damaged) and fluid. I dropped the pan and found the fluid the correct color, the spring intact, no debris of any type in the pan or on the magnet....nothing to explain the slipping tranny on my '03EB. I bolted the pan back into place, torqued it correctly.

You might want to do that before deciding to change it.....then balancing the cost of having a pro do it but be sure to as them how they purge the TC...I"m not even sure if there is a way to get that block of fluid out?

good luck

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Suggests you can reuse the gasket since it’s steel and just suggests you clean it. This video pertains to 6R60, 6R75, 6R80 Im taking mine to my shop sometime this week i bought the new pan filter a while back....


This video pertains to filling it and adjusting level.

 
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I would have it done at the dealer even thought it might be expensive. There is no dipstick on the transmission and the trans temp must be above 160 degrees before the valve opens that let fluid into the radiator cooler. If you check it cold it will be low once the temp rises and fluid flows into the radiator.

Also there is no drain on the torque convertor so you wont be able to get it all out.

The dealer will connect two hoses to your transmission and will replace the 20 or so quarts of ATF with new ATF. Essentially the new ATF pushes out the old ATF.
 

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I would have it done at the dealer even thought it might be expensive. There is no dipstick on the transmission and the trans temp must be above 160 degrees before the valve opens that let fluid into the radiator cooler. If you check it cold it will be low once the temp rises and fluid flows into the radiator.

Also there is no drain on the torque convertor so you wont be able to get it all out.

The dealer will connect two hoses to your transmission and will replace the 20 or so quarts of ATF with new ATF. Essentially the new ATF pushes out the old ATF.

Yep they will, however they won't clean the pan, check for debris, change the filter or clean the magnet with that procedure.
 

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These model years have "filled for life" and no dip stick tube. This is messy, miserable job. It only drains about 5.5qts of 13. That means your leaving over half the old stuff in it. The LV synthetic fluid is about $6 a qt. Dealership and some shops have a machine, that back flushes the entire transmission. The lines are disconnected at trans cooler. There are some guys on youtube doing it with hoses and buckets. I would let dealer do it. It was approved/recommended by Ford and will cost around $200.
 

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actually it does have a dipstick and tube but its about 2" long and almost impossible to get to without burning yourself on the exhaust right next to it

I agree let a pro do it
 

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I don’t know the exact process on our trucks, but on my past vehicles I just removed the hoses to the trans lines, put the output hose into a 5 gallon pail, stuck the input hose into a 5 gallon pail of trans fluid and started the truck and let the tranny pump do the work. Have to watch the fluid level in the Fresh fluid bucket so you don’t get air but yeah it worked for me? Is this not a good idea for some reason?


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actually it does have a dipstick and tube but its about 2" long and almost impossible to get to without burning yourself on the exhaust right next to it

I agree let a pro do it

This is why i never checked my level, it’s right next to a fricking CAT, nobody can convince me that’s not purposeful.... that’s so ford has to maintain it, didn’t stop mine from blowing up. Now I’m footing a $4,000 bill. Every transmission should have a standard style dipstick end of story.
 

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This is why i never checked my level, it’s right next to a fricking CAT, nobody can convince me that’s not purposeful.... that’s so ford has to maintain it, didn’t stop mine from blowing up. Now I’m footing a $4,000 bill. Every transmission should have a standard style dipstick end of story.
Your transmission went at, what? 158K? They should last, but they don't last forever. There are vehicles in junk yards, with less miles. A mechanic told me, how you drive, during break-in(first 3000 miles, no towing, drag racing), is a big factor, how long your transmission will last.
 

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Your transmission went at, what? 158K? They should last, but they don't last forever. There are vehicles in junk yards, with less miles. A mechanic told me, how you drive, during break-in(first 3000 miles, no towing, drag racing), is a big factor, how long your transmission will last.

My transmission lasted long enough but stupid is stupid, a dipstick should be there. Checking fluid level is a part of regular upkeep and i could not perform that upkeep because of a stupid design.
 

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I'll play Devils advocate.

Lets say Ford can have a hole machined at a precise location on each transmission. Have a heavy duty grommet formed that seals the needed guide tube into the case. Have that metal tube cut, formed and painted to accommodate the dipstick along with atleast one mounting flange. For savings sake I'll propose an existing bolt or bracket at the top of the engine bay can be repurposed to secure this tube in place. Dipstick itself is likely $tainle$$ $teel, needs some markings engraved at the smart end and overall has got to be some 30+ inches in length and wide enough to read. Have you priced anything stainless lately? Handle you'll need is some kind of molded, heat resistant, brightly colored plastic unit which is then silk screened or otherwise marked as TRANS. Oh, and an o-ring or two at the insertion end of the tube and/or handle base to keep it firmly in place and to keep debris out.

Ford is pretty tough on its suppliers, but lets say including as-needed and on-time delivery to the various US, Canada, Mexico and other worldwide assembly lines, Ford can get ALL this made for $2 a pop all-in. Speaking of assembly line, if this part arrives late or is defective, production comes to a screeching halt. At which point Ford owns you as per vendor contact.

Since the 2007 model year they've made well over 500,000 Expeditions for the US and CAN markets alone. Actually, thru October its 546,247 units per reliable source. At $2 per dipstick, thats $1,047,294 in cost avoidance, plus whatever per vehicle install cost UAW bosses would wedge in.

I won't even begin to do the math on the number of 09+ F150's are out there, the number 06-10 Explorers/Mountaineers/07+Sport Tracs that were made, 07+ Navigators, 2011+ Mustangs, 2015+ Transit vans, or the other non-US models like Territory and over-seas Ranger that have sealed 6R transmissions. Millions upon millions saved. Ford isn't the only mfg doing this.

As a stock owner I want Ford (and others) to find and implement ways to control and reduce costs, increase margins. Sealed transmissions do not need a dipstick. Making one would be a waste of millions as shown above. Since Jiffy Lube actively recruits terminated WalMart Tire & Lube Express employees, I'm glad there isn't an easy way for anyone to contaminate my Ford transmission with brake fluid or who knows what else. I also consider it a positive that a leaking transmission leaves a trail thats easily seen by anyone who parks on any surface that isn't painted bright red. Environmentalists, like them or not, are probably rejoicing fluid isn't needlessly being exchanged so frequently.

Another thinking point: There are millions of Ford vehicles on the road with sealed transmissions without a dipstick yet there are zero aftermarket suppliers (that I could find anyway) who are capitalizing on this "stupid design". Dozens of coolers, magnetic devices, gauges, etc, but no dipsticks.

You should stay away from BMWs. Mine doesn't even have a dipstick for the engine oil. Have to sniff the i-Drive screen.
 

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I'll play Devils advocate.

Lets say Ford can have a hole machined at a precise location on each transmission. Have a heavy duty grommet formed that seals the needed guide tube into the case. Have that metal tube cut, formed and painted to accommodate the dipstick along with atleast one mounting flange. For savings sake I'll propose an existing bolt or bracket at the top of the engine bay can be repurposed to secure this tube in place. Dipstick itself is likely $tainle$$ $teel, needs some markings engraved at the smart end and overall has got to be some 30+ inches in length and wide enough to read. Have you priced anything stainless lately? Handle you'll need is some kind of molded, heat resistant, brightly colored plastic unit which is then silk screened or otherwise marked as TRANS. Oh, and an o-ring or two at the insertion end of the tube and/or handle base to keep it firmly in place and to keep debris out.

Ford is pretty tough on its suppliers, but lets say including as-needed and on-time delivery to the various US, Canada, Mexico and other worldwide assembly lines, Ford can get ALL this made for $2 a pop all-in. Speaking of assembly line, if this part arrives late or is defective, production comes to a screeching halt. At which point Ford owns you as per vendor contact.

Since the 2007 model year they've made well over 500,000 Expeditions for the US and CAN markets alone. Actually, thru October its 546,247 units per reliable source. At $2 per dipstick, thats $1,047,294 in cost avoidance, plus whatever per vehicle install cost UAW bosses would wedge in.

I won't even begin to do the math on the number of 09+ F150's are out there, the number 06-10 Explorers/Mountaineers/07+Sport Tracs that were made, 07+ Navigators, 2011+ Mustangs, 2015+ Transit vans, or the other non-US models like Territory and over-seas Ranger that have sealed 6R transmissions. Millions upon millions saved. Ford isn't the only mfg doing this.

As a stock owner I want Ford (and others) to find and implement ways to control and reduce costs, increase margins. Sealed transmissions do not need a dipstick. Making one would be a waste of millions as shown above. Since Jiffy Lube actively recruits terminated WalMart Tire & Lube Express employees, I'm glad there isn't an easy way for anyone to contaminate my Ford transmission with brake fluid or who knows what else. I also consider it a positive that a leaking transmission leaves a trail thats easily seen by anyone who parks on any surface that isn't painted bright red. Environmentalists, like them or not, are probably rejoicing fluid isn't needlessly being exchanged so frequently.

Another thinking point: There are millions of Ford vehicles on the road with sealed transmissions without a dipstick yet there are zero aftermarket suppliers (that I could find anyway) who are capitalizing on this "stupid design". Dozens of coolers, magnetic devices, gauges, etc, but no dipsticks.

You should stay away from BMWs. Mine doesn't even have a dipstick for the engine oil. Have to sniff the i-Drive screen.

The last sentence made me laugh because I give BMW so much sh*t it’s not even funny hahaha. My transmission in the Super Duty has a dipstick!!! Certain things like a transmission dipstick at $2 per unit should be implemented into the cost of the vehicle and kept, like the super Duty, why did they spend the $2 there? Because any vehcile capable of towing should have a dipstick so an owner can periodically check the condition of their ATF, intervals don’t tell the same story for every vehicle, if you do a lot of hill driving while towing it heats the ATF fluid up and stresses on it more than someone who never hauls and drives in flat surfaces. What if i have a leak and I’m on a trip??? I should be able to nurse the truck home by adding ATF and checking the fluid periodically to get home. A part like that should be added to the cost of the vehicle. Sealed transmissions don’t need a dipstick?? HAHAHAHA.

This sums up my feeling on BMW
 
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you are correct, any time they can save a penny they do. I work for an OEM Tier auto parts supplier I hear it all the time about the parts we make

I do believe Summit racing sells a aftermarket dipstick tube kit, its not cheap, about $200
 

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Ford was, yes, having issues with dip tubes rusting out. Both of mine went. I guess some bean counter said, we don't need 'em.
 
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Maybe, just guess, Super Duty owners typically will put additional strain on their transmissions from towing and hauling that isn't relevant across all model lines. My old F250 had the ZF6 and no dipstick and I didn't complain. If there was a puddle underneath I'd know its leaking. No puddles no troubles? I guess its the same reason the SuperDuty can have the optional snow plow package that you can't get on the Escape, can't get a 5.5, 6, or 8-foot bed on a Fusion, dual rear wheels on a Edge, or an air filter reminder gauge on a Taurus. Comparing apples to orange.

I didn't look at every Summit aftermarket, but most are chrome plated for GM transmissions for those using it in custom or racingapplications, like kit cars, T-buckets, other makes, etc.
 

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I was unaware they made one at one point with no dipstick, the 6R140 has the dipstick as well as the 6R100
 

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and actually, although you wont like this and neither do I, from the mfg's point of view trans fluid is not considered a consumable like engine oil. The truck doesn't burn it or use it up

if there is a leak you need to get it fixed, no topping off. So their stance is it doesn't need a dipstick. just like the transfer case etc

just needs to be serviced by someone with the proper tools and knowledge at the prescribed intervals
 

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I lost patience pumping the Mercon LV into the transmission and found an easy, off-the-ground option without dropping the $200 on one of those aftermarket dipstick/filler tubes.

1/2" ID siphon hose fits snugly into the threaded filler hole. The threads hold it in place well enough, so I ran a length up to the engine compartment and dumped fluid through a funnel into the hose from up top.

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You'll still need to get under the truck to check fluid levels but this made adding fluid a far quicker and less messy job.
 
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