Self Levelling? Platinum with tow package.

[07xln]

I can tell you from experience that the towing capabilities of these new Expeditions are not diminished by any means. I’ve towed quite a few Crossfires over the years, with my 14, my 17 and now my new 18, always with the same trailer. The 18 is by far the best tow on the road. Only thing that I could consider a negative was when backing up in tight areas, the front of the Expy goes on for miles and I’m not used to it yet. Other than that, nothing to it’s detriment could be found.

The lack of self leveling alone is diminishing. The new models no longer have that ability. Driving around with the ass end of your new truck sagging under a load when the prior models had the ability to raise and level that load is the very definition of diminished ability or performance.

You guys are arguing just to argue. I’m right you’re wrong. Deal with it

 

[edizzle]

I’m not getting my ******* in a wad. Quite simple to see that was you that started that trend when I called you out a few days ago. I am just questioning how you could possibly say it has diminished towing? You are flat out wrong. Period.

Diminished-made smaller or less.

Tell me how the vehicle that tows MORE than any other full size SUV and scored HIGHER than ANY other full size SUV including the 6.2L V8 Denali on the Ike Gauntlet has diminished towing?

Please tell me you understand this basic form of logic?

 

[shane_th_ee]

The 4 wheel drive has been neutered

Huh? What’d I miss? What did they take away when they added the locking rear differential and the terrain management system from the Raptor? Also the thing that kept me from the Denali is it gives up almost 2” of ground clearance to the Expedition and there is nothing you can do to the front end (short of a hacksaw) to fix the approach angle.

 

[edizzle]

TFLT will be doing some comparisons between the Denali and the Platinum.

Here is a sneak peak Roman tipped me off to that he posted today.

You can probably deduce what you are about to see!!

 

[rcompart]

The lack of self leveling alone is diminishing. The new models no longer have that ability. Driving around with the ass end of your new truck sagging under a load when the prior models had the ability to raise and level that load is the very definition of diminished ability or performance.

You guys are arguing just to argue. I’m right you’re wrong. Deal with it

First, I’m not arguing for the sake of arguing. I’m stating my personal experiences. Second, none of the Expeditions I’ve owned have had the load leveling suspension so there is nothing diminished from my point of view. My personal experience with these vehicle’s load leveling suspensions is not favorable. I towed my dad’s 20’ Ranger with both my 17 w/o load leveling and with my friend’s that had it and the little additional help with keeping the vehicle level when loaded was not worth the considerably crappier ride. Again, just my experience.

 

[shane_th_ee]

The 4 wheel drive has been neutered

Huh? What’d I miss? What did they take away when they added the locking rear differential and the terrain management system from the Raptor? Also the thing that kept me from the Denali is it gives up almost 2” of ground clearance to the Expedition and there is nothing you can do to the front end (short of a hacksaw) to fix the approach angle.

 

[JExpedition07]

Huh? What’d I miss? What did they take away when they added the locking rear differential and the terrain management system from the Raptor? Also the thing that kept me from the Denali is it gives up almost 2” of ground clearance to the Expedition and there is nothing you can do to the front end (short of a hacksaw) to fix the approach angle.

The expeditions IRS means we are getting stuck far before the Denali despite the higher clearance. Our control arms hang up long before they do. As far as the 4WD it's not really neutured but lamed down for one reason, it's all optional now. If you order 4x4 you do not even get low range until you get HD tow, And a 4x4 High range isn't even available. When mine was ordered 4WD Drive meant 2H, 4A, 4H, and 4L modes and functionality. Our systems use braking bias and send power to the wheel with traction anyway, basically eliminating the weaknesses of open diffs (Using AdvanceTrac). Factory Lockers are meh, use them in the super duties all the time they are ok. They can't do much more than a standard 4WD truck, when the truck hits its limit 4 wheels often aren't enough at that point.

 

[edizzle]

The expeditions IRS means we are getting stuck far before the Denali despite the higher clearance. Our control stems hang up long be for they do.

Very subjective statement. There are definitely dozens of different terrains where each type of rear end would excel in.

 

[JExpedition07]

TFLT will be doing some comparisons between the Denali and the Platinum.

Here is a sneak peak Roman tipped me off to that he posted today.

You can probably deduce what you are about to see!!

A race 1 mile above sea level proves nothing TBH. Seriously anyway why do we care what's faster, it's a mute point on a truck.

Here is what a real race looks like, what's that old saying? No replacement for Displacment! watch the 6.2L ford eat the ecoboost alive

 

[JExpedition07]

but my wise cracks and jabs aside we buy what we like. Expys squat, we are driving half ton trucks not one tons, I don't think they have gotten worse. Remember level doesn't mean better, the weight needs to be distributed correctly and if that means squat oh well. Mine squats If I load her up. A load leveling suspension will fix that for anyone concerned. Expys are the best half ton SUV for towing that is a non argueable point I give ford that, In 03 they really stepped up their game with the towing and the trucks since have great control and instill confidence pulling.

 

[edizzle]

You keep moving the target!!!! LOL.

The conversation has been about the Denali vs the expedition, now you are posting a video with two ford trucks!!

A race at 1 mile above sea level definitely proves something!!!! It proves that the expedition embarrasses the Denali at 1 mile above sea level!!!

And I’m not sure what you consider the definition of eat alive, but the 3.5 never fell behind the back wheel of the 6.2. Eat alive is literally walking something by a few car lengths, like the expy did to the Denali.

 

[shane_th_ee]

The expeditions IRS means we are getting stuck far before the Denali despite the higher clearance. Our control arms hang up long before they do.

Did I miss something or don't both the Denali and the Expedition have independent FRONT suspensions, which, if one is driving forward, is going to get hung up long before the rear suspension gets hung up. But, again, on the Denali, in order to get hung up on the under carriage, you'll have to get past the lower ground clearance and 15.3 degree approach angle. (Yes, the Land Cruiser, is the clear winner here, but we've been comparing the GM and Ford offerings.) And don't get me started on what happens when you drag that Denali's oil pan over something....

As far as the 4WD it's not really neutured but lamed down for one reason, it's all optional now.

So it's neutered because a buyer could be too lazy to check the correct box on the order sheet or to make sure the dealer finds what you really want?(!) Seriously? If we're going to play that game, then the Armada has the best towing capability because you have to check the right box to get a trailer brake controller on the Fords and the GMs.

If you order 4x4 you do not even get low range until you get HD tow, And a 4x4 High range isn't even available. When mine was ordered 4WD Drive meant 2H, 4A, 4H, and 4L modes and functionality.

Again, with the "well, you gotta make sure you ask for what you want" I hate the new McDonalds, too. It was way better when the only question you had to answer was whether or not you wanted cheese on that hamburger.

Our systems use braking bias and send power to the wheel with traction anyway, basically eliminating the weaknesses of open diffs (Using AdvanceTrac). Factory Lockers are meh, use them in the super duties all the time they are ok. They can't do much more than a standard 4WD truck, when the truck hits its limit 4 wheels often aren't enough at that point.

So, the 4th Gen really DOES have a more capable 4x4 system, it's just not more capable enough to matter in the real world? I mean this whole thread reads like you and 07xln really, really want to dislike the 4th Gen Expy and are just casting about for whatever might help you reach the conclusion you want.

 

[shane_th_ee]

The video (below) isn't from Ford but it has a couple of guys from Ford doing the testing. And yes the expedition is sagging way more than the Suburban. They also mention the Expedition pulls the load about the same as the much less powered Suburban. As I said before in this thread, with the new model Ford sacrificed capability for added comfort. I'm gonna run out into the garage and tell my 17 model how much I love her

Wait a minute! That suburban was technically overloaded. Go here and look for the little note on the Suburban which specifies a WDH for trailers over 5000lbs: https://www.gmfleet.com/content/dam...017-chevrolet-trailering-and-towing-guide.pdf

It would appear, however, that the Expy will take up to 630lbs dead hitch weight and 6300lbs of trailer without a WDH. Ok, they did have two passengers, so they may have still overloaded the Expy as well. My main point is to challenge the assumption that since the Suburban sags less, therefore it must be a more capable tow vehicle. https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/conten...l/pdf/guides/18RV&TT_Ford_Expedition_Oct5.pdf

 

[deweysmith]

When mine was ordered 4WD Drive meant 2H, 4A, 4H, and 4L modes and functionality. Our systems use braking bias and send power to the wheel with traction anyway, basically eliminating the weaknesses of open diffs (Using AdvanceTrac).

The one thing about 4H, you don't get to manually set the torque split to 50/50 but certain drive modes will set it to do so, essentially the same thing as 4H.

 

[JExpedition07]

TFLT will be doing some comparisons between the Denali and the Platinum.

Here is a sneak peak Roman tipped me off to that he posted today.

You can probably deduce what you are about to see!!

Finally got around to watching this, The expedition had a 3.73 axle and the Denali a 3.23 and the Nissan a 2.93, That's a very unfair comparison. I love my fords but a race needs to be fair, cool video nonetheless, I enjoy these.

 

[edizzle]

Does the gmc come with any rear end options? I just tried to build one and didn’t see any options to change the gearing.

 

[shane_th_ee]

Finally got around to watching this, The expedition had a 3.73 axle and the Denali a 3.23 and the Nissan a 2.93, That's a very unfair comparison. I love my fords but a race needs to be fair, cool video nonetheless, I enjoy these.

Why's it unfair? If you get a Denali, you get the 3.23 rear axle. Sure it handicaps, the Denali, but that was design choice made by the manufacturer. So it's a handicap in the same sense that the Ford is handicapped by not having the higher output 3.5L found in the Raptor. (Ok, it might be a bit unfair doing it at altitude, but not for rear axle choices...)

 

[Paddler]

Chatted with Ford again today, they confirmed no LL on the 2018.

 

[Outrigger]

My 2015 Expedition was equipped with the optional equipment "Self RR Load Levelor Suspension" at an optional charge. Also now since the truck is 5 years old the two rear load levelor shocks are in need of replacing at a cost of about $940.
Does anyone know if these might be available through another mfg. other than ford parts?