Metal or plastic oil pan?

[Raptors]

Anyone notice yet if they have a metal or plastic oil pan? F-150s including the Raptor have used plastic oil pans and plastic drain plugs on the eco boost. There were a lot of leaks reported on the Raptor forum. Starting around February or March 2018 Raptors started coming with metal oil pans and metal drain plugs.

What’s on the Expedition?

 

[JExpedition07]

I wonder what’s next..... perhaps a plastic block and pistons......didn’t even know they were doing that, I don’t even like plastic valve covers....the oil pan too??

 

[Habbibie]

First time I hear of this but glad you mentioned it cause last oil change I did I over tightened the drain plug in the confusion of trying to unscrew it to drain the oil and stripped the living hell out of the back end of the threads, I have to find an "enlarged" new drain plug and throw it my in my glove box next time I change oil.... I know this is unrelated but what do you do if you did that on a plastic pan with a plastic screw? New oil pan seems like the only viable option

 

[stamp11127]

It only gets better.....

http://www.thedrive.com/tech/19601/ford-has-patented-a-polymer-composite-cylinder-head


https://www.carstuffshow.com/blogs/a-plastic-car-engine-you-cant-do-that-right.htm

 

[JExpedition07]

I guess I should hold on to my cast iron 5.4L with its various metal parts. No plastic valve covers or pan wanted here let alone a friggin plastic cylinder head. Plastic ages and brittles too much with the heat and cool cycles. Look at the water pumps, thermostats, radiators these days, sure the plastic works for a while....but we are seeing failures on average way sooner than with the metallic parts of old. I guess it’s make it cheaper and cheaper and charge more and more...

 

[Trainmaster]

I suppose the days of a 20 year car are coming to an end. The cheaper, smaller cars and imports have never achieved that longevity. Remember the Mavrick and the Vega? Disposable junk. Followed by Subarus, Kias, Yugos...

The standard bearer of longevity was the commercial offerings and high end full sized cars and trucks, mainly because that was what that market demanded: A 200,000 mile engine and a 20-year body for those who needed a tool and chose a car or truck by its return-on-investment rather than its cup holders or WiFi.

Increasing CAFE demands, economic constraints, and frankly less-educated and less thrifty consumers are opening the door to lower standards across the product line.

Plastic oil pans? On commercial offerings like trucks? Come on now.

A lot of guys will take one look at that and buy a Dodge.

 

[proeasy]

Plastic Oil pans have been in use on Transmissions for many years now with no issues. In car assembly plants these transmission have to survive a "drop" test from approx. 3 feet onto cement.

 

[JExpedition07]

Plastic Oil pans have been in use on Transmissions for many years now with no issues. In car assembly plants these transmission have to survive a "drop" test from approx. 3 feet onto cement.

You can hardly say “no issues”. Many more leaky pans and catostophic failures caused by debris kick up with those garbage plastic pans. You can scout out various forums and read up on plastic pan failures. On a truck there should be no plastic oil or trans pan. It’s cheaper and that’s the only reason, the quality is inferior.

 

[Mike Wolfe]

There is a mid year change to the EXPY also
Ist generation has an Aluminum main bearing girdle & plastic oil pan
2nd generation has no main girdle & has a full aluminum oil pan
Ist generation would be more robust when it comes to making a lot of power

 

[Kmdcolo]

Super duty trucks have had them for a while too. Along with 1/4 turn drain plugs. The pans are reinforced plastic that are supposed to reduce weight and sound. I’m not to concerned given today’s manufacturing practices, materials, and testing.

Manufacturers also use lifetime fluids. The part their lubricating will only last as long as the fluid.

 

[Raptors]

First time I hear of this but glad you mentioned it cause last oil change I did I over tightened the drain plug in the confusion of trying to unscrew it to drain the oil and stripped the living hell out of the back end of the threads, I have to find an "enlarged" new drain plug and throw it my in my glove box next time I change oil.... I know this is unrelated but what do you do if you did that on a plastic pan with a plastic screw? New oil pan seems like the only viable option

It is a huge plastic drain plug that you turn with your hand. It only goes 1/4-1/2 turn. Tabs on the side prevent you from turning it more than it can go.

 

[JExpedition07]

Super duty trucks have had them for a while too. Along with 1/4 turn drain plugs. The pans are reinforced plastic that are supposed to reduce weight and sound. I’m not to concerned given today’s manufacturing practices, materials, and testing.

Manufacturers also use lifetime fluids. The part their lubricating will only last as long as the fluid.

The 6.7 had a plastic oil pan stock for a while, The 6.2L gas V8 has a steel oil pan. There were many failures and leaks with the plastic oil pans used on the 6.7L. There has been virtually zero complaints of leaks on the metal pan used on the 6.2L.

 

[Habbibie]

The 6.7 has a plastic oil pan, the 6.2L gas V8 has a steel oil pan. There were many failures and leaks with the plastic oil pans used on the 6.7L. There has been virtually zero complaints of leaks on the metal pan used on the 6.2L.

Apparently they are out there, read article attached...

https://www.dieselworldmag.com/ford/stop-the-drip-early-ford-6-7l-oil-pan-upgrade/

 

[JExpedition07]

Apparently they are out there, read article attached...

https://www.dieselworldmag.com/ford/stop-the-drip-early-ford-6-7l-oil-pan-upgrade/

Ah, from what I gather ford started using metal pans on the diesel again after the 2012 MY. I originally said I’ve never seen it but some quick reading found me that same article that stated early builds had a plastic pan.

 

[5150 pops]

Ah, from what I gather ford started using metal pans on the diesel again after the 2012 MY. I originally said I’ve never seen it but some quick reading found me that same article that stated early builds had a plastic pan.

My Expedition has the plastic pan. I bought an extra 1/4 turn plug before I changed the oil and filter at 600 miles, based off some comments from folks on the F-150 forum.
There had been a discussion over there too, where there was mention that mid/late 2018 model year, all 3.5 Ecoboost F150 models were quietly being equipped with metal pans and plugs. Had hoped my Expedition would have been included in that, either the Expedition was not included or mine was built prior to the switch.

 

[Raptors]

My Expedition has the plastic pan. I bought an extra 1/4 turn plug before I changed the oil and filter at 600 miles, based off some comments from folks on the F-150 forum.
There had been a discussion over there too, where there was mention that mid/late 2018 model year, all 3.5 Ecoboost F150 models were quietly being equipped with metal pans and plugs. Had hoped my Expedition would have been included in that, either the Expedition was not included or mine was built prior to the switch.

Interesting. My Raptor is plastic, I was hoping to get an Expy that is metal. When was yours built?

 

[Trainmaster]

Heard in the boardroom:

"Those sh*tty plastic pans we put on the Super Dutys are leaking like sh*t and we're replacing them with real ones. What do we do with the 500,000 plastic leakers we have left? We've got two dollars each invested in them. "

"Put 'em on the Expeditions. Soccer Moms 'ill never tell the difference"

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$80,000 truck - plastic oil pan! Bwahahahaah!

Who does this reflect poorly on, the manufacturer or the buyer?

 

[JExpedition07]

Heard in the boardroom:

"Those sh*tty plastic pans we put on the Super Dutys are leaking like sh*t and we're replacing them with real ones. What do we do with the 500,000 plastic leakers we have left? We've got two dollars each invested in them. "

"Put 'em on the Expeditions. Soccer Moms 'ill never tell the difference"

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$80,000 truck - plastic oil pan! Bwahahahaah!

Who does this reflect poorly on, the manufacturer or the buyer?

Unfortunately automobiles are slowly turning into appliances. Built cheap as can be with a lot of failure points. An old fridge would run 50 years, the average of a new one is 8 years. The article posted by stamp shows that ford has patented a plastic cylinder head....LOL.

 

[Habbibie]

Unfortunately automobiles are slowly turning into appliances. Built cheap as can be with a lot of failure points. An old fridge would run 50 years, the average of a new one is 8 years. The article posted by stamp shows that ford has patented a plastic cylinder head....LOL.

I agree, cars nowadays are what many consider "disposable", they're not built to exceed the 10 year mark with ease.

 

[aggiegrad05]

It's almost like these public companies want you to have to come back and buy another one of their products.

/s