Mid-engine?
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Can a mod please delete this thread? @Tom T who the f**k cares anyways? Do you need bragging rights? Do you want all of us to bow down to you and just accept that saying it’s a front mount Engine is wrong? you've supplied no real evidence from ford stating anything about what type of engine mount style these trucks are and are just voicing your opinion but have successfully done so over 5 pages of pointless conversation as NOBODY on here has produced anything from Ford confirming what it is.
aggiegrad05
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I dunno...I thought it was a fun journey. I got to post a picture of a C4 Corvette and get called out becuase I called it a C7. I got told Wikipedia wasn't a primary source. And I got to make fun of the Germans for making 4-door coupes. Seems like a pretty productive thread to me.
I like your sense of humor
duneslider
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Well, I am much happier to know that my jeep JK is actually a mid-engine and not a front engine! I can stand on the front axle in the engine bay and work on it, so it is behind the front axle. It also means when taking off the oil filter it spills oil all over the front axle. That must be why it drives so nice, like a sports car!
And to think that @16plati gets banned all the time for saying stupid stuff...
And to think that @16plati gets banned all the time for saying stupid stuff...
aggiegrad05
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Germans, while excellent engineers, are not skilled or effective at redefining accepted terminology.
EVEN IF someone here has truly been convinced that mid- engine should be redefined as the engine between the axles, the ENTIRE gear head automotive industry will not upend its definitions just so Expedition owners can claim their behemoth SUVs are mid engine.
MOVE ALONG - there's nothing to see here
EVEN IF someone here has truly been convinced that mid- engine should be redefined as the engine between the axles, the ENTIRE gear head automotive industry will not upend its definitions just so Expedition owners can claim their behemoth SUVs are mid engine.
MOVE ALONG - there's nothing to see here
some people seem to be happier to stay in the box....haha....
You can have engine in front of driver or behind. ok. So front and rear. I agree. But then most agree to have two sub-groups for rear-engine. Before and after rear axle. One is then called mid-engine. Why is the same logic not applied to front engine?
Is not complex rocket science, is it?
And dont start with "accepted" terminology. lol. by who?
You can have engine in front of driver or behind. ok. So front and rear. I agree. But then most agree to have two sub-groups for rear-engine. Before and after rear axle. One is then called mid-engine. Why is the same logic not applied to front engine?
Is not complex rocket science, is it?
And dont start with "accepted" terminology. lol. by who?
Tom - don't expect to win the entire internet every day. I think you've claimed an insanely difficult "win" already by even convincing one person that they can call the Ford Expedition a "mid-engine" vehicle.
You will not convince this gear head and I don't particularly care what response you throw my way. Here are those labels and comments, so you don't have to waste more forum space with another post...
"ignorant" or "educate yourself" (both super fun and common especially in political arguments)
"stubborn" or "antiquated" (yeah, I'm getting older every year, so what)
"where's your source?" or "prove it" (that's as ridiculous as asking someone to fully document and prove the difference between antique cars, collector cars, classic cars, and muscle cars. There's an accepted grouping among the people that care. And I assure you - NO ONE cares if you are ever able to technically classify a 6000 lb SUV as having its engine centerline behind the front axle/wheel center. The Expedition will never exhibit the characteristic handling of cars that proclaim mid engine design - Ferrari, Lamborghini, Lotus, C8 Vette, Ford GT, Acura NSX, Saleen S7, McLaren F1, etc.)
You will not convince this gear head and I don't particularly care what response you throw my way. Here are those labels and comments, so you don't have to waste more forum space with another post...
"ignorant" or "educate yourself" (both super fun and common especially in political arguments)
"stubborn" or "antiquated" (yeah, I'm getting older every year, so what)
"where's your source?" or "prove it" (that's as ridiculous as asking someone to fully document and prove the difference between antique cars, collector cars, classic cars, and muscle cars. There's an accepted grouping among the people that care. And I assure you - NO ONE cares if you are ever able to technically classify a 6000 lb SUV as having its engine centerline behind the front axle/wheel center. The Expedition will never exhibit the characteristic handling of cars that proclaim mid engine design - Ferrari, Lamborghini, Lotus, C8 Vette, Ford GT, Acura NSX, Saleen S7, McLaren F1, etc.)
Now, I like YOUR humor....you made me smile...thank you!!!
Plus, you made me think even more....of the actual benefits or NOT of such an arrangement....obviously, its never circling a race course like a Ferrari (with same front-mid setup)...BUT, what IF it would be in front of the axle? Would it behave like an oil tanker? And the unusual setup makes it just a tad more "agile"?
So far, I only thought, that it is just cool, that our Expy has an unusual ("exotic") setup....but maybe Ford engineers had some clever thinking....which I totally could believe....
Have a great weekend, Nate and thanks again for putting all in perspective...
Plus, you made me think even more....of the actual benefits or NOT of such an arrangement....obviously, its never circling a race course like a Ferrari (with same front-mid setup)...BUT, what IF it would be in front of the axle? Would it behave like an oil tanker? And the unusual setup makes it just a tad more "agile"?
So far, I only thought, that it is just cool, that our Expy has an unusual ("exotic") setup....but maybe Ford engineers had some clever thinking....which I totally could believe....
Have a great weekend, Nate and thanks again for putting all in perspective...
Why can't all threads and forum go like this? We're parting ways, both smiling and chuckling at the insistency of the other. You strike me as someone I'd truly get along with quite well in person, though we may never agree on something. Respect, debate, and both are still right (though me "being right" is largely my own stubborn disillusionment).
In all honesty, I agree with you, that black and white areas have gone the way of the dodo and it's intriguing when you think about traditional terminology and how it applies today.
This discussion reminds me of the reaction when the 90s brought some supercars that tested the use of AWD. SACRILEGE! Was the cry of many. Then the Nissan GT-R (Godzilla) taught the deep pocket Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Porsche crowds that they better keep up in the technology sector.
Didn't bother to read this one but I should have!!! Oh the fun.
I can get into another "fact" argument....wait, I don't argue I do this: I don't care what they or anyone else calls front /mid /rear based on axles.
It is simply in general relation of the front or rear on the automobile.
If the engine is more toward the front BUT the happens to be behind the front axle, it IS a front engine car.
Facts be damned! I am right. At least that is what I will call it and everyone will know what I mean and a few snobby, arrogant, know it alls will laugh at my ignorance or misinformation and I will giggle.
What if engine is on top of axle? AXLE is a very general term too.
Some cars don't have front and rear axle or axles, but my naming goes for wheels too. I don't care if engine is in front or behind front wheels.
I can get into another "fact" argument....wait, I don't argue I do this: I don't care what they or anyone else calls front /mid /rear based on axles.
It is simply in general relation of the front or rear on the automobile.
If the engine is more toward the front BUT the happens to be behind the front axle, it IS a front engine car.
Facts be damned! I am right. At least that is what I will call it and everyone will know what I mean and a few snobby, arrogant, know it alls will laugh at my ignorance or misinformation and I will giggle.
What if engine is on top of axle? AXLE is a very general term too.
Some cars don't have front and rear axle or axles, but my naming goes for wheels too. I don't care if engine is in front or behind front wheels.
There we go. What cars have front and rear axles? Asking for a friend.
the most boring discussions are these were all agree...its actually not a discussion but a bashing of the other side.
Also, while not in this thread....lol...;-)....I always learn something, when in a real discussion. Learning another point of view. So even if I dont agree, it still makes be more informed/educated.....
but then again, I am always right....haha....just joking...unless we talk about front engine. Yes, the Expy is a front engine, but to be more precise it is a front-mid engine....
Also, while not in this thread....lol...;-)....I always learn something, when in a real discussion. Learning another point of view. So even if I dont agree, it still makes be more informed/educated.....
but then again, I am always right....haha....just joking...unless we talk about front engine. Yes, the Expy is a front engine, but to be more precise it is a front-mid engine....
It's as bad as the hood/trunk dilemma. Engine placement be damned....if it's in the front it's a hood. In the rear, a trunk.
Now if you turn the body around on the frame (some things still have frames right? ) then the thing going forward to the front would be a very trunk looking hood.
And if you had the engine under th hood looking piece of metal now in the rear of the car.... the car would have 2 hoods! You can't have an engine in the trunk. Not the running one that powers the car.
I once had a 76 LeMans with 2 V8s in it. 750 cubes. 350 under the hood and 400 in the trunk. Lifted it in and out of there by myself- heavy!
Don't even get me started about boot and bonnet and I have never put gloves in a glove box or glove compartment as we called them.
Console? Who needs a shoulder to cry on... who they consoling ?
Cars are damn strange I tell you.
carymccarr
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Good for you. It’s amazing how many have no desire to see other perspectives or learn from others who have different views from their own.
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911?
lol...really do not know...is the trunk of a 911 in front? Is a trunk, where you can transport luggage? in that case, your statement would be correct imho...
again, with rear engines we make a big distinction between mid(-rear) and rear (911, beetle). Why not in the front?
I general, from what I read (not hear on this forum), the mass beyond the (imaginary) axles, e.g. front and rear bumper can be detrimental to agility...typically, you want your weight between the axles...so what counts for 911, beetles counts also for front engines...no?
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