Tire cable/chains on rear only for 4x4 too?

[Joey Smith]

I have a 2019 Expedition Max 4x4 and was looking for tire cables/chains. When reading about them, recommendation for 4x4 SUV’s is to use cables on all 4 wheels. However, the Ford manual clearly states to put them on rear wheels only. While it doesn’t state that this guidance applies to 4x4 models as well, wanted to see what people on the forum that use tire cables/chains do for their 4x4 expeditions. Thx!


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[Plati]

There are other threads on this Forum for this. Search to find them.

I don't think anyone has ever identified any product they use on rear. I believe you can put chains on the rear wheels as long as they are "thin". Larger chains can hit I believe. As far as I know it's just not good to put anything on front.

I also would like to know if anyone has experience and uses anything successfully.

There are some cable products I keep planning to purchase and try

 

[duneslider]

Maybe you should look into the Autosock instead, I believe they are are 50 state compliant for a traction aiding device and work when it says chains required. There are a lot of things for chains and cables to catch on in the wheel wells of newer vehicles, especially the front. Back in the day, the solid axle vehicles didn't have anything to catch on and you just had to worry about the chains flipping up and smacking the side of the truck.

I think you would be better off with snow tires and 4wd if you travel to areas requiring that a lot.

 

[Joey Smith]

I have a 2019 Exp XLT Max with the Hankook Dynapro ATM 275/55R20 113T and only plan to head up to Lake Tahoe a few times a year at most.

Has anyone had experience with using these cables:
“Security Chain Company ZT751 Super Z LT Light Truck and SUV Tire Traction Chain”

on an 4th Gen 4x4 Expedition?

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[Plati]

https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/snow-cables-or-just-stay-with-at-tires-for-snow.42319/page-2

 

[Joey Smith]

I ended up buying a set of these:
“Security Chain Company ZT751 Super Z LT Light Truck and SUV Tire Traction Chain - Set of 2”

Tried fitting them on in my garage on the rear tires only as noted in the manual.
Hoping there are no issues if I do end up needing them.

Took a picture of the back side of the tire.
Anyone think there could be an issue with using these? Just wondering if anything on the back side could snag with the tire cables...




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[Plati]

they look ok?
unless one of those little yellow clips comes loose?

first pic looks close to brake line, might just be the angle of the pic
I think I would rotate and watch the wheel all the way around

 

[coupe11]

I haven't used chains on a highway since 1978 (small 2WD Pontiac economy car and lots of snow on a weekend trip home to WV). Since then, the 4WD trucks/SUVs haven't needed chains to get through the snow/slush, etc.

When my father-in-law (a Ford truck guy) would get out in the off road areas in deep snow he'd put chains on the front wheels of his F150 4WD pick ups. He said that's where the weight and traction was so that's where he wanted the extra traction.

I don't even own a set of chains these days. And those cables? Looks like the sit way farther up/around the tires that the old chains did. Looks really close to the brake line. Plastic clips? The old chains used a metal loop/hook piece to connect the chains to the rubber tension ring on the outside of the wheel.

 

[Deadman]

All I'm going to say is google pictures of the carnage chains can do when they fail. You won't have any brake lines, sensors, etc left it they let go at any speed.... Its just not worth it. Buy snow tires and be done with it.

 

[Calidad]

I have carried z cables for 25yrs to Tahoe only used them once to go about 50ft up a Iced over driveway to reach the main road, then took them off.

carry them but never use them except for short extreme situations.
I have left Tahoe on closed unplowed roads with zero issues. The issues come from tourists in flip flops and bald tires on their Front wheel drive cars.


Get z cables and never use them on highways or city streets unless your going very short distances and 10-15mph max.

 

[Deadman]

California just doesn't make me thing of tire chains and such! lol

 

[Calidad]

California just doesn't make me thing of tire chains and such! lol

Except we have things call Mountains and Sierra Cement. When we get snow we talk feet not inches. Last yr my buddies cabin had 38ft of snow dropped on it. He doesn’t consider it a big winter till the hallway bathroom door gets jammed and wont open or close. LoL

 

[Deadman]

Cool, but how often do you drive there? I mean do you live there? Or is it just a vacation thing?

We live in the white stuff for 5-6 months here! lol.

 

[Calidad]

If you live in snow/ice country you simply get a set of snow/ice tires and run them in the winter thats what everyone does easy fix.

If you do the Tahoe drive to the snow ts not an easy fix because the snow/ice tire options get destroyed driving the 95% of their use on warm, dry, pavement. Lived both places far far easier to live in snow country and to just have snow/ice tires all winter vs drive to it on compromised treads and then go home on compromised rubber compound.

 

[Deadman]

If you live in snow/ice country you simply get a set of snow/ice tires and run them in the winter thats what everyone does easy fix.

If you do the Tahoe drive to the snow ts not an easy fix because the snow/ice tire options get destroyed driving the 95% of their use on warm, dry, pavement. Lived both places far far easier to live in snow country and to just have snow/ice tires all winter vs drive to it on compromised treads and then go home on compromised rubber compound.

Exactly, it sucks finding that balance. Snows suck in the summer and summers suck in the snow....

 

[Plati]

Exactly, it sucks finding that balance. Snows suck in the summer and summers suck in the snow....

Good balance … summer & winter dang good
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?gclid=CjwKCAiAmNbwBRBOEiwAqcwwpXznc99q0X5DR0wHB_ZWN9sKlOgW9iJDBqGfnDAVH0i3Ywazpw0_YRoCqLoQAvD_BwE&tireMake=Falken&tireModel=WildPeak+A/T3W+A&partnum=765SR8WPAT3WOWL&GCID=C13674x012-tire&KEYWORD=tires.jsp_Falken_WildPeak+A/T3W+A_Tire&code=yes&ef_id=CjwKCAiAmNbwBRBOEiwAqcwwpXznc99q0X5DR0wHB_ZWN9sKlOgW9iJDBqGfnDAVH0i3Ywazpw0_YRoCqLoQAvD_BwE:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!3756!3!72322431853!!!g!834990801793!&gclsrc=aw.ds

still want chains/cables for the Powder Highway trips
hoping my new Bronco can do chains

 

[Deadman]

That Falken will be horrible in snow once it wears down a little. All those flat slabs of rubber just don't bite. Siping is your friend in snow.

 

[Plati]

That Falken will be horrible in snow once it wears down a little. All those flat slabs of rubber just don't bite. Siping is your friend in snow.

Well that's not my experience with them. Besides , they start with 20/32" of tread which is cavernous (LT version). When they wear down to 10/32" tread depth they are only used as summer tires and I buy a new set for winter. Love those tires.

The whole tire thing is a compromise depending on where you live & drive, season(s) you drive, highway miles, off road use, how much money you are willing to spend, how old the tires are, how many miles you want to get out of them, etc.
Everything in life is a compromise. Except for BEER

 

[Calidad]

That Falken will be horrible in snow once it wears down a little. All those flat slabs of rubber just don't bite. Siping is your friend in snow.

Its a balance for sure a all season that’s fairly decent in snow and ice typically wears much faster than a tire that might not be as good in the snow. Rubber compound and tread etc. I like Michelin tires for the all season best snow performance but they usually wear out fast with my hot heavy summer camping trips. So I struggled for yrs trying to find “my” happy balance between cost, wear and snow performance.

I put these BFG Advantage Sports on my Subaru that has proven it can literally destroy a set of tires in a yr if they are too soft. These BFGs turned out to be by far the best tires I’ve tried so far. I put them on my Sequoia next I wasn’t sure how they would do on a heavier rig. They have been really good so far, just sold it to my dad.

My wifes Fusion gets the Michelins as does the fun 2seater. Those are what they are short life, high cost but otherwise great tire.

The Expedition? Yeah these 22’s? Curious how the stock tires do so far I don’t have enough miles or types of surfaces to judge them.

 

[Deadman]

My stock 22's are slippery fella's. I'm gonna burn them up tho before changing them. I can already see me dumping them early because they are useless in winter.

I have a set of Firestone Winterforce on my plow truck and they are amazing in snow. Then I run BFG's in the summer to save the winter diggers. Works for me but not practical for all scenarios.