What happened to choice in America

[Boostedbus]

Nice......but that’s sarcasm. Friggin whole world has went crazy. This is NOT the world I grew up in. I miss all the local country grocery stores that fed just the local community, and you could walk to them easily and could get fresh veggies, eggs and fresh everything. If we wanted chicken I would help my grandmother chop their heads off, defeather them and gut em. Sunday supper on the spot. We had two milk cows and one bull plus a few hogs and a garden. Never went to buy groceries but to buy canning jars. She made our own butter and butter milk and drank milk straight from the cows. I’m now in my late 60s and only been to see a doc 3 years ago, and ain’t been back. All the crap they put in fast and grocery store food is slowly killing people. But no one seems to care what goes in their bodies thus all the people who go to the doc for some ailment every time they feel bad.....I’m country and will stay country. Love the land here in East Tennessee.......

Amen! I’ve got a little getaway in a whole other world (compared to where I live in MD) called West Virginia or West by god Virginia as the locals call it. I can stop at gas station convenience stores on the way and buy fresh local meats,eggs,bacon,sausage,andeven ammunition. There are produce and fruit stands that are half the price of back home and even a local moonshine distillery. It’s also an open carry state and people aren’t getting capped every night unlike in gun free zone Baltimore. You can even still smoke in some bars. I haven’t smoked in years but love the fact that people still have a choice they can make on their own and not have big brother make it for them.

 

[byathread]

Nice......but that’s sarcasm. Friggin whole world has went crazy. This is NOT the world I grew up in. I miss all the local country grocery stores that fed just the local community, and you could walk to them easily and could get fresh veggies, eggs and fresh everything. If we wanted chicken I would help my grandmother chop their heads off, defeather them and gut em. Sunday supper on the spot. We had two milk cows and one bull plus a few hogs and a garden. Never went to buy groceries but to buy canning jars. She made our own butter and butter milk and drank milk straight from the cows. I’m now in my late 60s and only been to see a doc 3 years ago, and ain’t been back. All the crap they put in fast and grocery store food is slowly killing people. But no one seems to care what goes in their bodies thus all the people who go to the doc for some ailment every time they feel bad.....I’m country and will stay country. Love the land here in East Tennessee.......

One of my many talents! [emoji23] It takes a lot of effort and a lot of money to eat that way/what I like to call "old school healthy" now around here. We try our best to and are lucky to have access to raw dairy and unadulterated organic soy free eggs. Now the grocery stores are getting industrial organics/questionably sourced food that they can sell at a premium. One big Petri dish here in America and alk about $$$$. I go to Europe for work and they don't tolerate all the nasty refined oil and highly processed garbage food we do here. It is sad that some folks can't even access fresh food at all...food deserts I think they're called, in America! Unreal...and most certainly slowly killing folks.

BTW, I really hate buying mustard. It was the first thing I thought of when I read the title of this!

 

[Plati]

What's wrong with pasteurized milk?

 

[jeff kushner]

Guys, to the OP's point, The fact is life evolves. Yes choices in the markets become more limited or bountiful as driven by the economy of sales. If manufacturers find offering more choices profitable, they will. As financial constraints become real, we see the results. This is business 1:01.

Not a bad thing.....because all things change over time.

We Americans DO have a vast array of choices compared to anyone in this hemisphere. Travel and you'll see how good we have it! I've been to countries w/i an 8 hr airplane ride that do NOT have grocery stores. They do not have furniture stores, they do not have department stores nor new car dealers....and I haven't even gotten to the Panama canal yet.....yeah, we do have it pretty good here....hell yea, we're Americans!


The old(er) guys here know it.....in the 60's you did a tune up for a half-dozen bucks, but in the 1st 100K(if it lasted that long & didn't rust out)you bought an alternator/generator, starter and maybe a water pump and two batteries. That doesn't count fan belts.....or thermostats. I loved the muscle car era....gave me targets to vanquish on my Kaw H2<lol>

Newer engines are better in every way.....exponentially more reliable and better engineered to tolerances only dreamt of in the 60's for mass-pro vehicles!

That they might not be packaged exactly how we like but that can always be remedied with large sums of cash....


We hired a few more guys this week in my office.....the HR office is in line with my office. Later I commented to my guys.....when we used to apply for a job, we filled out forms, now they watch movies! Safety, anti-terrorism, more safety, recycling......and more safety. Each man/woman literally watches over 2 hours of vids before we allow them on a construction site.

Yeah, things are a bit different than back in the day....

Things change......ALL things change...be flexible.

Holy crap, Sry for rambling guys....

jeff

 

[TobyU]

As a professional master mechanic, seeing all of the crap that can go wrong with the new vehicles first hand, I will definitely be sticking with my 2003 2V 5.4. Call me an automotive "purist", if you will. But I much prefer earlier 2000's vehicles that are still "modern", but provide the connection of the driver to the road without the major computer interference of vehicles now days. All of these new passive electronic systems are for the birds. I'll drive it myself, thank you very much.

Completely agree! They had engines and autos perfected by around 1996 to the early 2000s. Now they are going the wrong way with reliability and durability.
They want us to accept repairs like cam phasers and timing chains as early as 95-130K when the 2v typically never needed it done in it's lifespan of over 250K.
People being too accepting and not incessantly vocal about it are part of the problem.
You won't see that problem with me though! I'm a broken record about it....and other things.
You know how many times I have had a throttle cable break or fail on me....
1 time. In decades and 100s of cars. Screw drive by wire crap!

 

[carymccarr]

Downstate New York is entirely Blue and entirely socialist, with fewer people working and fewer people speaking English.

Not. Even. Close.

Upstate has exponentially higher UE.


https://www.labor.ny.gov/stats/PDFs/ur_map.pdf

 

[carymccarr]

Amen! I’ve got a little getaway in a whole other world (compared to where I live in MD) called West Virginia or West by god Virginia as the locals call it. I can stop at gas station convenience stores on the way and buy fresh local meats,eggs,bacon,sausage,andeven ammunition. There are produce and fruit stands that are half the price of back home and even a local moonshine distillery. It’s also an open carry state and people aren’t getting capped every night unlike in gun free zone Baltimore. You can even still smoke in some bars. I haven’t smoked in years but love the fact that people still have a choice they can make on their own and not have big brother make it for them.

WV is beautiful but not a particularly non violent state. In fact it’s the 18th most violent state. I do miss smoking in bars but not sure folks with asthma miss it lol.


https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/39672421

 

[Trainmaster]

If we're going to discuss the demographics of New York, it's obvious that unemployment is higher upstate than downstate. But chronologically speaking, the NYC suburbs are experiencing an influx of illegal immigrants, many who don't work. That increasing unemployment and reduced the number of English-speaking residents.

No I didn't compare employment rates in different parts of New York State. Why would I?

 

[carymccarr]

it's obvious that unemployment is higher upstate than downstate.

Well yeah. Except you said that downstate was filled with unemployed socialists [“fewer people working”]. Yet upstate has UE rates up to 700% higher than NYC suburbs.

But chronologically speaking, the NYC suburbs are experiencing an influx of illegal immigrants, many who don't work. That increasing unemployment and reduced the number of English-speaking residents.

I’d be curious which NYC burbs specifically you’re referring to? Because there isn’t a single county abutting any of the 5 Burroughs with UE rates above 4%.

Are you suggesting UE is rising in certain areas because of socialist immigrants who don’t speak English? Maybe that’s what you meant? If so which towns?

 

[carymccarr]

No I didn't compare employment rates in different parts of New York State. Why would I?

You literally said downstate was filled with fewer working people and socialists. And immigrants.

 

[JExpedition07]

Are illegals considered in the unemployment number if they are known residents?

 

[carymccarr]

Are illegals considered in the unemployment number if they are known residents?

In general yes since UE doesn’t seek citizenship status just how many people in a particular household as working or not.

 

[Trainmaster]

You literally said downstate was filled with fewer working people and socialists. And immigrants.

I didn't say compared to Upstate.

 

[carymccarr]

I didn't say compared to Upstate.

Compared to what then? Metro and suburban NYC have some of the lowest UE numbers in the country.

 

[poppie]

I can will afford the gas my 07 uses at 18.5 MPG hand figured up here in the cold country , summer I can get as high as 22 MPG on a trip but it normally runs around 19- 20 MPG all running the posted speed limit and NOT starting out like on a drag strip, did some of that in my younger years, As for my post about choice, "IT'S MY MONEY" I would be spending and feel I should be able to equip a new vehicle the way I want it with out some cubical minded government pencil pushing bureaucrat from the EPA telling FORD & ME how to, The fuel millage on an EcoBoost over the 5.4 or 5.0 is negligible from the posts people make on here and as for that new 10 speed, I used to drive an old Mack R-600 semi tractor with a 5 speed hauling stone at over 70,000 pounds, why the hell does average Joe need a 10 speed in a vehicle even towing an RV, BTW, I know a little about that having owned an RV park for 17 years and seeing 1'st hand the issues people have, DON'T get me started on POS RV tires from China ,anyway there's just more to go WRONG with a 10 speed over the 6 speed from more moving parts, there's some thing to be said for KEEPING IT SIMPLE STUPID, there's not a dam thing wrong with the Expy I have and it has been totally trouble free but after 12 years of driving the same vehicle I would like a change WITH CHOICE.

 

[JExpedition07]

You are actually pretty correct in the same drivetrain setup fuel mileage is negligible between the V8 and boosted V6. The ratings on 3rd Gen 5.4L is 14 City/20 Highway. The 3.5 EB is 15 City/21 Highway. Ford stated the fuel savings on the refreshed ‘15 models was mostly due to the switch to electric power steering which saves on average 1MPG in city driving. The 18+ Expys cut some weight and got extra gears so they gained some good mileage.

My aunt has a ‘19 Yukon Denali 6.2 and it does pretty good on the highway with the cylinder deactivation. I have gotten 30 mpg out of it on the highway. Only issues are the windows and mirrors are way too small. Too many blind spots and seats aren’t as comfy as my Expedition. Besides that good truck.

 

[Machete]

Been a member here for a long time, don't post much BUT READ A LOT of posts of people having issues with new ones, Yes I know people with issues post and people with out issues don't BUT What happened to choice in America, its now take it or leave it AND after reading all the issues with newer Expeditions I'll keep on keeping on with our 07 we bought new, Why can't I get a new one with the 5.0 OR the new 5.2 and the 6 speed, seems the new ford 10 speed has issues in the F-150 & I believe that is the same trans as the Expedition and has a class action law suit filed, https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2020/ford-f-150-10-speed-transmission-problems-lawsuit.shtml , turbo issues and loss of coolant with the T-T V 6 , the list goes on & on, give me one good reason to spend $ 60 K plus on a new one, the old one has no cam phaser noise yet and I think being **** about maintenance helps with that changing oil every 5000 miles with Motor craft oil & filter & flushing the trans every 25 -30 K , still has the original spark plugs coming up on 130,000 miles and does 18.5 mpg in the north woods of Wisconsin where its COLD, actually I'm scared to attempt to change them with it running so good, it does have the flaking paint on the back hatch & that brings up another issue that time will tell IF Ford fixed that issue, an all aluminum body, Fire away guy's.

You won’t get any complaints from me. I’ve been the biggest critic and sounded the alarm on Fords pos ecoboost.

The snowflakes here will chime in about their new tech vs dark ages but w Ford going back to pushrod big block v8 on the 250 all the snowflakes have scurried to their little safe zones.

 

[carymccarr]

I’ve been the biggest critic and sounded the alarm on Fords pos ecoboost.

Oh noes! The scary new engine micro triggered someone!

Tell us where the ecoboost touched you. Do you have tissues in your ‘eco boost free’ safe space?

Lol


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[Machete]

Oh noes! The scary new engine micro triggered someone!

Tell us where the ecoboost touched you. Do you have tissues in your ‘eco boost free’ safe space?

Lol


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Prius my little snowflake.... Prius. Shhhhh. Let’s keep our safe zones quiet.

 

[Machete]

BTW snowflake...when I have my old gasser valet parked I ask them to keep it close and keep her running.