Went in for a oil change and tire rotation today. The rear pads were worn to the backing plate. The rotors were rusty and pitted. Tech says "you must live close to the ocean" that is the problem. He was right I do live about 75 yards from the ocean. But it is run through the car wash every other day to clean underneath. Told him I never read any notice that said this Expedition cannot be near the beach without suffering premature brake and rotor wear. What BS! My other cars have been just fine, only ford seems to have this problem. No it is not driven on the beach.
Rear brake pads and rotors junk at 25K miles.
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SyndicateZ
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Time to get the frame/under body coated for rust prevention id say.
Calidad
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Got 50,000 out of my rears. 80% local kid hauling 20% highway and sierras with little bit of 4x6 trailer dragging. Fronts are looking like they’re good for 70-80k at this point. All are smooth but I don’t stand on them at stops as if holding earth in orbit. Grew up driving big trucks and dragging trailers I don’t generally drag brakes cooking them either. I’ve found them to be pretty good. Having said that its a heavy vehicle I have family members that could easily wipe out the brakes on anything after a month of driving it. I’m near the Pacific no issues
NorthWestYuppie
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I’ll assume you are over 30 and had many vehicle close to the ocean. Sounds like this one is on you
wakeboarder
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Rear brake pads on these are known to wear quickly. They have a lot less material than the aftermarket pads. The rotors are probably junk from the metal to metal contact of being worn to the backing plate.
duneslider
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Once the metal backing plate hits the rotor, the rotor goes to crap really fast. Doesn't take long to really mess it up.
The rear pads wearing fast has been a "thing" on every vehicle I have owned since 2007. That is when I first started noticing it. However, it also has been my experience the stock rear pads on all the new vehicles I have had were an organic pad that wears "quickly", replacing the pads with a ceramic or semi-metallic seems to have much better life and they wear at a more reasonable rate. Nothing wrong with organic pads but they do wear quicker than other mixes. There are Pos/Neg to each mix style.
I can't see being near the coast necessarily causing premature wear. I can see being near the coast causing rust issues. Maybe in my head, I can see if rotors are getting really rusty between drives that then the pads are doing some extra work to clean the surface off every time?
Either way, checking brake pads is a maintenance item. Every time I rotate my tires, which I do myself, I check the pads and watch for wear. If you have the tire store rotate, you can also ask them to give the brakes a check. Pretty much everyone recommends a 5000-7500 mile rotation, so that works pretty well for keeping track of pad wear.
The rear pads wearing fast has been a "thing" on every vehicle I have owned since 2007. That is when I first started noticing it. However, it also has been my experience the stock rear pads on all the new vehicles I have had were an organic pad that wears "quickly", replacing the pads with a ceramic or semi-metallic seems to have much better life and they wear at a more reasonable rate. Nothing wrong with organic pads but they do wear quicker than other mixes. There are Pos/Neg to each mix style.
I can't see being near the coast necessarily causing premature wear. I can see being near the coast causing rust issues. Maybe in my head, I can see if rotors are getting really rusty between drives that then the pads are doing some extra work to clean the surface off every time?
Either way, checking brake pads is a maintenance item. Every time I rotate my tires, which I do myself, I check the pads and watch for wear. If you have the tire store rotate, you can also ask them to give the brakes a check. Pretty much everyone recommends a 5000-7500 mile rotation, so that works pretty well for keeping track of pad wear.
Here's the update. According to the service manager who is a hell of a wrench, the wear is due to the rotors rusting and pitting, which tears the heck out of the pads which are not all that beefy. The rusting is caused by the salt air which is brutal. He say's that he see's the rotor rust all the time on vehicles that are beach side. I really cant dispute that as a home air conditioner condenser is junk at around 6 years due to salt air. Having said that other brands of trucks have not had this problem. Guess it's more of the price of living near the ocean.
fwiw: my 2021 cpo limited with 16,000 miles had new rear pads and rotors installed prior to my purchase. this was/is a Michigan car. Dealer told me rotors were very rusty and pitted. I had :
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SyndicateZ
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Dunno why, But my rear produce more dust than thr fronts by alot
duneslider
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Stock pads? Or aftermarket?
SyndicateZ
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I have aftermarket pads and rotors in the front and rear (just installed this past summer) Raybestos fully coated rotors and raybestos pads on all. The front produces minimum dust while the rear produces more. Its funny because before these were installed I had motorcraft oe up front and rear and the front produced the most dust so now its reversed lol
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They are? I got 80k out my first set on my 3rd gen EL. Heck, at 210k I'm only on the 3rd set in the rear. I'm actually shocked at how long they last - longer than any other vehicle I owned before or currently.
wakeboarder
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Yes, they are known to wear quickly on the fourth gen’s. If you search the 4th gen forum for “rear pad” you will find multiple threads on the topic.
duneslider
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I use yellow and green ebc pads on my jeep and they are so freaking dusty. They work great so I deal with it but man they are dusty. I swapped to black wheels so it wouldn't bug me so much.
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Reinforcing your service manager's comments, you're on the wrong end of the Math/Physics: Iron Oxide is much harder and more abrasive than the uncorroded disk material which will accelerate pad wear, all other things being equal (which they aren't in this case) + As evidenced by lots of customer experience written up on this forum, the rear brakes are undersized for the job + the PCM is hitting the rear brakes when you don't even know it to prevent yaw, increase traction, etc. + these are vehicles that can hold a lot and can tow a lot, and whenever you do either or both, the ABS/proportioning is going to put proportionally more braking energy through the rear pads than when unloaded.
Hopefully, someone from Ford is reading and works to increase rear braking swept area to extend pad life to something close to what the fronts experience. I might even consider an aftermarket solution, if someone would develop and market it. Just saying...
xrayman3707
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70,000 miles on my 2020 Max, still on the original brakes. I do drive it like I know that it weighs as much as a tank though...
Danm355
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When I got rid of my 2019 Expedition in December of 2022 I still had the original break pads at 36,000 miles.
bobward757
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I’d look at a better aftermarket rotor pad combo with better steel. I’ve run Power Stop heavy duty pads and rotors for years and get 100K of average driving out of them
The rear pads on my 2019 XLT Max did not last 30K miles, while the fronts are at 40K and still look good based on a recent dealer oil change/inspection.
No mention from the dealer of proximity to the wetlands & ocean (approx 200 yds) as reason for dismal life of rear pads. I can't recall another vehicle that needed rear pads before the fronts. Full disclosure: I have been driving for nearly 5 decades so recollection of the service history for all prior cars may not be accurate.
No mention from the dealer of proximity to the wetlands & ocean (approx 200 yds) as reason for dismal life of rear pads. I can't recall another vehicle that needed rear pads before the fronts. Full disclosure: I have been driving for nearly 5 decades so recollection of the service history for all prior cars may not be accurate.
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