Every 2024 Non Max Expedition has the same Payload Sticker

[rnazer83]

I am in the market buy a NON MAX 2024 Ford expedition. My research has resulted in the unusual discovery that every 2024 non max Expedition has the same payload capacity sticker regardless of Trim.
If the vehicle has the HD towing package installed, the number is 1405lbs. If it does not have the HD tow package, the number is 1358 LBs.

This is only the case for 2024s. The 2023 and 2022s i looked at, every vehicle had a different payload capacity. The XLTs are usually around 1700+ while the Limited's were around 1600+.

I have looked at probably 20+ vehicles and they all have the same sticker. Off course the Salesmen are completely clueless about why.

Anyone have any ideas as to why?

 

[SilverStealth]

I'm gonna guess that it's a cost cutting strategy. It's cheaper to print just two sets of stickers in bulk than to individually edit each one based on trim.

 

[Flathead40]

If this is true did they stop doing a VIN specific payload rating? Seems very strange that they would do that. The GVWR sticker would be the same on a lot of them, but payload # should be representative of the vehicle’s weight as optioned + full tank of fuel subtracted from GVWR.

 

[Left Coast Geek]

certainly, a 4x4 should have a lower payload than a 2x4 as its curb weight is several 100 lbs heavier, with the front differential, transfer case, and associated axles.

For example, my 2019 Limited Stealth 4x4 says 7450 lb GVWR, and 1504 lb payload.

 

[East-TN]

Interesting...my 19 Stealth 4x4 (123 WB and 8 passenger) shows a GVWR of 7400 and Cargo weight of 1538, but I see my Axle and Rear Spring codes are different than your sticker.

 

[Yupster Dog]

There is a thread on this subject with a lot of good info.
Including a google document that many members have put their truck's sticker info.

https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/can-we-talk-hd-tow-one-more-time.44864/

 

[rnazer83]

There is a thread on this subject with a lot of good info.
Including a google document that many members have put their truck's sticker info.

https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/can-we-talk-hd-tow-one-more-time.44864/

This doesn't really answer my question. I understand every trim and accessory will affect payload. My question is why is Ford slapping the same sticker on every 2024. Can this not be a legal issue if someone gets in an accident?

 

[Yupster Dog]

This doesn't really answer my question. I understand every trim and accessory will affect payload. My question is why is Ford slapping the same sticker on every 2024. Can this not be a legal issue if someone gets in an accident?

It could just be a sales sticker average, for exact numbers you should look on the door plate.
Im sure it's in the small print somewhere.

How much of a difference are we talking?
What is the maximum difference between the sticker average and vehicles actual door plate?

Nobody legally would go off the sales sticker anyway, they would go off of the door plate.

 

[rnazer83]

It could just be a sales sticker average, for exact numbers you should look on the door plate.
Im sure it's in the small print somewhere.

How much of a difference are we talking?
What is the maximum difference between the sticker average and vehicles actual door plate?

Nobody legally would go off the sales sticker anyway, they would go off of the door plate.

This is the Sticker on the door plate. Example attached.

 

[East-TN]

Is it possible you are looking at/seeing Expy's that are all Tow Package/3L Axle vehicles?

 

[jjscsix]

Is it possible you are looking at/seeing Expy's that are all Tow Package/3L Axle vehicles?

Payload is based on exact weights each vehicle. Every option that is on one but not the other will change the payload capacity.They would have to be identically equipped for them to be the same.

 

[East-TN]

Payload is based on exact weights each vehicle. Every option that is on one but not the other will change the payload capacity.They would have to be identically equipped for them to be the same.

Are you saying the OP is looking at several Expys that are exactly optioned the same? That's what the OP is asking, why are they (Payload Labels) the same...is Ford 'rounding off' the weights to reduce the number of different labels? Is Ford only producing a few different labels based on major options, like Tow Package? I don't know, but that's why I asked the question.

 

[DieselMonk]

I am in the market buy a NON MAX 2024 Ford expedition. My research has resulted in the unusual discovery that every 2024 non max Expedition has the same payload capacity sticker regardless of Trim.
If the vehicle has the HD towing package installed, the number is 1405lbs. If it does not have the HD tow package, the number is 1358 LBs.

This is only the case for 2024s. The 2023 and 2022s i looked at, every vehicle had a different payload capacity. The XLTs are usually around 1700+ while the Limited's were around 1600+.

I have looked at probably 20+ vehicles and they all have the same sticker. Off course the Salesmen are completely clueless about why.

Anyone have any ideas as to why?

I just looked at my 24 Limited SPP non MAX with HD trailer tow. Durmroll: my sticker sez 1405lbs.

 

[rnazer83]

I have looked at around twenty Non Max 2024 Expeditions (4x4) all optioned differently. XLT, Limited, Platinum, and King Ranch. Some have bench seating, others have Captains chairs. As I mentioned already, if the HD tow package is installed the payload is 1405, if it is not installed, the payload is 1358.

 

[AJ82]

I'd be willing to bet it was cost cutting on Ford's part as mentioned by others. As for the legal question, if the number they put on there is below what the actual payload capacity is for the vehicle there wouldn't be any issue - you aren't exceeding the design limit. Dodge was doing something similar on the Durangos, they all had the same payload regardless of options. Completely dumb IMO.

 

[GixxerJasen]

They probably don't get super granular with the stickers. Base options of something like Max/nonMax, 4x4/2WD, HDTow/NoHDTow and then print off a zillion stickers at whatever the minimum payload would be under that. This way it doesn't matter what options they do or don't have beyond that, the sticker is always safely under the actual limit. Cost cutting? Maybe. I'd go with legal though, this smells of lawyer stuff.

 

[AJ82]

They probably don't get super granular with the stickers. Base options of something like Max/nonMax, 4x4/2WD, HDTow/NoHDTow and then print off a zillion stickers at whatever the minimum payload would be under that. This way it doesn't matter what options they do or don't have beyond that, the sticker is always safely under the actual limit. Cost cutting? Maybe. I'd go with legal though, this smells of lawyer stuff.

If you look at the link posted above with all the payloads from members, you will see this was not the case in the past. They actually weighed them based on what they contained. There were lots of different payloads, not just a couple. Now they seem to be cheaping out and not doing that anymore.

 

[jjscsix]

Are you saying the OP is looking at several Expys that are exactly optioned the same? That's what the OP is asking, why are they (Payload Labels) the same...is Ford 'rounding off' the weights to reduce the number of different labels? Is Ford only producing a few different labels based on major options, like Tow Package? I don't know, but that's why I asked the question.

That is the whole point. Thats why he doesn't understand them being the same. Note that he said all the 2023s are different.

 

[jjscsix]

As far as cost, it would be simple if they weigh them as the come off the line to have a computer spit out stickers for that specific VIN and weight.

My other thought is that by doing what some mentioned about taking the lowest common denominator it allows them to show a payload number in the towing guide.

 

[East-TN]

That is the whole point. Thats why he doesn't understand them being the same. Note that he said all the 2023s are different.

Ok...again, you're saying he looked at identically optioned 2024's?