Bummer: 2025 has a pathetic payload rating

[tangbang]

To be honest the payload is all the stuff in it and the tongue weight. Your not going to pack 6 people, plus dogs in with say 8000lbs of trailer behind you.

I just used a buddy’s F250 to haul my 8700 lb boat up to the lake for the summer. Thats honestly the rig you go to if your hauling over 2-3 people gear and 8000+lbs of trailer. My Ex drags the boat pretty well but I’m not putting more than 1-2 people in the Ex with a bunch of stuff.

7 scouts and packed to the max you feel it regarding handling and stopping. No way your stacking on 6000+ lbs of trailer in addition to that.

On the flip side the EX is way way way nicer driver than the F250 when not towing. I tow twice a yr 190 miles 7400 ft to sea level and back.

If your thinking whole family- gear and dogs plus 8000lbs of crappy towing bumper pull RV its going to suck.

I agree, no illusions here about an 8000 lb trailer, nor interest in that. We have been looking at 26' - 28' bunkhouse around 5500 - 6000 lbs dry. Kids are 5, 7, 8, 10. Maybe 620 lbs people + dog. Figure another ~ 650 tongue weight. ~1300 lbs max payload, which doesn't leave much buffer. Our camping trips today are all within two hour drive to campground. Maybe twice/year. I'm confident the '25 Expy Max will handle that task without much complaint, but would have preferred to have a bigger cushion.

 

[Calidad]

I agree, no illusions here about an 8000 lb trailer, nor interest in that. We have been looking at 26' - 28' bunkhouse around 5500 - 6000 lbs dry. Kids are 5, 7, 8, 10. Maybe 620 lbs people + dog. Figure another ~ 650 tongue weight. ~1300 lbs max payload, which doesn't leave much buffer. Our camping trips today are all within two hour drive to campground. Maybe twice/year. I'm confident the '25 Expy Max will handle that task without much complaint, but would have preferred to have a bigger cushion.

That would work. Just a warning the bikes get stupidly heavy and challenging to haul as the kids get older. I was looking at hybrid style trailers I could rack bikes on also. Older kids can tent it or crash in the Expedition. Keep those ideas in the mix. Might alter your ideas

 

[sanman28]

Maybe load the trailer with as much of your gear as possible. That will keep it off your trucks payload limit.

 

[fastcamper]

The screen capture above is from the esource(?) site that dealers use to look up the info on the vehicle. I don’t have access to it, but I asked to take a screen shot of it when ordering in December. Ford — in all of their marketing materials — state unambiguously that you should would with the dealer for the all details on the specific models.

Here’s my spreadsheet, for those interested, comparing 3 vehicles (Ford Expedition, GMC Yukon, Jeep Wagoneer):

- Towing capacity doesn’t matter much, as they all have excess towing capability.
- Payload capability limits the Ford Expedition Active.
- GMC Yukon is the best, but GMC specifies a TW no more than 10% of the tow capability.
- Jeep Wagoneer is the best.

In reviewing the Jeep videos on it, TFL truck did a review with the (heavy) Flying Cloud: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN_PPqS7psY
Also, the Jeep chief engineer describes how the Wagoneer is basically a truck underneath: https://youtu.be/QR9VoKpPtd4?t=666 which is why is it has a 10,000 lb towing capability.

And here’s a video from TFL on the Ford Expedition, showing the payload sticker from a December auto show as 1575 lbs: https://youtu.be/HNoPumhp-8s?t=280 albeit a different model.

By the way, don’t get me wrong: the interior of the Ford Expedition is super sexy and I love the new exterior. The new expedition is a very cool vehicle and it looks like an expedition vehicle. I can totally imagine adding a cargo cage on top to make it look more “expeditionary” — while it also having the updated interior that looks like a star trek console.

Note: the values at the bottom are the remaining capacities for each prospective trailer.

 

[sanman28]

Interesting. I’ve come across MANY dealers that have very limited knowledge of what they are selling.

 

[Calidad]

Interesting. I’ve come across MANY dealers that have very limited knowledge of what they are selling.

I found this to be a strategy not a lack of knowledge. Lots of people bought non heavy tow pack Expeditions for way way way too much $$$$$ because it had a hitch on the back. Only to discover they got a AWD mini van with a full sized spare tire for the price of a 4x4 - heavy tow pack Expedition

 

[Flathead40]

I wonder if this is carry over from ‘24 where they standardized all the payload stickers. There’s a thread on it where the only thing that made a difference was HD tow. Didn’t matter which trim or other options were on the vehicle. If that is the case you may actually have more payload as your GVWR and GAWR are the real limits.

 

[Happy Dog]

The rated capacity on my 2020 XLT with the tow package is 1,716#.
As you go up in trim levels your capacity goes down simply because the additional features are heavy.

Add here requires a takeaway there.

Even at 1,716 # I was on the edge with two people, one dog, stuff, towing a 7,500# trailer.
Weigh stations tell the truth.

 

[sanman28]

Platinum SPP found online. What I ordered.

 

[JKBarnett]

Interesting. I’ve come across MANY dealers that have very limited knowledge of what they are selling.

I ordered a 2025 expedition active, with HD tow package. Worked with the dealership, and even got them to check the Ford dealer website specs for the payload capacity rating, which was listed as 1900 lbs. Of course, this probably doesn’t include the weight of gasoline and fluids. The purchase was contingent on the payload > 1500 lbs, which is for towing purposes (6 passengers + tow hitch trailer weight) . Finally, 6 months later the vehicle arrives — and what is the payload capacity on the yellow door sticker? 1360 lbs.

Thanks Ford for waisting my time. And by the way, the big deal for the Ford Expedition is its higher tow rating. All they did to get a higher towing rating was by reducing the payload capacity.

There are guys all around me with trucks and SUVs with RV and Boat trailers. None of the gas guys are happy and all of the diesel guys are happy. My simple mind tells me that if you are routinely going to do a weight combination above 7 to 8k you are not going to be happy with big heavy gas guzzling SUVs.