I Miss my Knobs!

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exactly! 12inch is more than adequate for the map and the digital interface. the knobs are a big relief.

Problem is the Sync 4 15" navigation is on another level compared to the Sync 3 12". Using Google maps with Car Play IMO is OK but would rather not have to be tethered to my phone. The sync 4 navigation is better than Google or Apple Maps. Never thought a Car Manufacturer could do this but Ford did.
 

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Just because a human-device interface (e.g., touchscreen) is well-suited or optimal for all functionalities of one device doesn't mean that same interface should, or eventually will, propagate to every functionality of other devices. A smartphone is a completely different use case from a vehicle — especially a 6,000 lb. truck hurtling down the road at 70 mph where driver error can cause the deaths of its occupants as well as those in other vehicles, cyclists, or pedestrians.

I don't foresee a touchscreen ever being used for steering, accelerating, or braking, for example. If Ford had done proper (or any?) UX (User Experience) studies and testing, they would have observed the dangers of a driver's attention diverted trying to hit the tiny 'Off' button on the screen for the fan (the only way to actually turn the fan off), or getting the amount of seat heating or cooling they want. The upcoming Sync4a update allowing the dial to control those functions (and possibly adding them to the voice command menu) should solve that problem.

But for touchscreen + knobs vs. only touchscreen, people have, and are certainly entitled to, different preferences. Especially if you're paying $90K for a car (which is a fair amount more than the cost of the priciest smartphone, last time I checked....).

Distracted drivers using SmartPhones kill more people in 1 day that a 15" Sync screen could ever in 100 years. Ford has the capability to limit what a user can do while driving to prevent this. If someone cannot change the AC setting by pressing 2 clicks on a screen without taking out pedestrians or crashing then they have bigger driving issues than a 15" screen.
 

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Distracted drivers using SmartPhones kill more people in 1 day that a 15" Sync screen could ever in 100 years. Ford has the capability to limit what a user can do while driving to prevent this. If someone cannot change the AC setting by pressing 2 clicks on a screen without taking out pedestrians or crashing then they have bigger driving issues than a 15" screen.
Just as everyone is entitled to their preferences, everyone is entitled to their opinion.....
 

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For all the complaining, just don't get the 15.5" screen. There are options to get one with buttons.
No one is mandating you buy an 80k truck. You can option a limited up to the gills and then select to keep the 12" screen.
Or if you want all the buttons and really like the "platinum experience" get a base Nav, it's very similar and roughly consistent price point.
 

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For all the complaining, just don't get the 15.5" screen. There are options to get one with buttons.
No one is mandating you buy an 80k truck. You can option a limited up to the gills and then select to keep the 12" screen.
Or if you want all the buttons and really like the "platinum experience" get a base Nav, it's very similar and roughly consistent price point.
You cannot get BlueCruise without a Platinum, and you cannot get a Platinum without Sync4a(15 Inch). So your statement is partially incorrect.
 

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Problem is the Sync 4 15" navigation is on another level compared to the Sync 3 12". Using Google maps with Car Play IMO is OK but would rather not have to be tethered to my phone. The sync 4 navigation is better than Google or Apple Maps. Never thought a Car Manufacturer could do this but Ford did.
To be clear on the 22+ all display options are in the Sync4 family. The 12 Inch is Sync4, and the 15 is Sync4a. Both offer Wireless CarPlay and significant improvements over Sync3. The largest Sync3 display that was available in the Expedition was 8 Inch, and available from 2016-2021, across the last 2 years of Gen3, and first 4 years of Gen4.

I also agree 100% on the Connected Nav. I have it in my 21 F150 and use it 80% of the time vs Waze. With the Alexa update, it makes it even easier. Ask Alexa to navigate to "X" and boom it is doing it.
 

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Problem is the Sync 4 15" navigation is on another level compared to the Sync 3 12". Using Google maps with Car Play IMO is OK but would rather not have to be tethered to my phone. The sync 4 navigation is better than Google or Apple Maps. Never thought a Car Manufacturer could do this but Ford did.
Thank a company called Telenav.
 

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You cannot get BlueCruise without a Platinum, and you cannot get a Platinum without Sync4a(15 Inch).
I LOVE the BlueCruise (I do a lot of freeway driving) and I love the 15.5 screen (with the dial-controlled functions in the coming update I'll have no complaints whatsoever).
I also agree 100% on the Connected Nav. I have it in my 21 F150 and use it 80% of the time vs Waze.
I've been really happy using Google Maps navigation which is always spot-on accurate on directions, distances, and arrival time (regardless of traffic conditions it is always literally exact or within a couple minutes — it must use some kind of sorcery or black magic). I use the 'satellite' view which shows green/yellow/red/dark-red traffic congestion, and which I think shows more detailed info on the local view of where you are. I haven't used the built-in Sync nav; I was curious what you preferred about it over the other options.
 

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Just because a human-device interface (e.g., touchscreen) is well-suited or optimal for all functionalities of one device doesn't mean that same interface should, or eventually will, propagate to every functionality of other devices. A smartphone is a completely different use case from a vehicle — especially a 6,000 lb. truck hurtling down the road at 70 mph where driver error can cause the deaths of its occupants as well as those in other vehicles, cyclists, or pedestrians.

I don't foresee a touchscreen ever being used for steering, accelerating, or braking, for example. If Ford had done proper (or any?) UX (User Experience) studies and testing, they would have observed the dangers of a driver's attention diverted trying to hit the tiny 'Off' button on the screen for the fan (the only way to actually turn the fan off), or getting the amount of seat heating or cooling they want. The upcoming Sync4a update allowing the dial to control those functions (and possibly adding them to the voice command menu) should solve that problem.

But for touchscreen + knobs vs. only touchscreen, people have, and are certainly entitled to, different preferences. Especially if you're paying $90K for a car (which is a fair amount more than the cost of the priciest smartphone, last time I checked....).
Not to mention Ford removed something as simple as browsing a folder on a USB drive to find a new track, because that's too dangerous, but somehow taking your eyes off the road to fumble around on a massive touchscreen is less dangerous than that. Seriously, I hate that, when you come to the end of an album in a folder while say on a 2hr drive, the only thing you can do is either replay the whole folder again, or switch to a different source (or pull over and change). At least some of the brands warn you that the passenger should be the only one doing that while in motion.
 
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