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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    I'd check the dealer cost of marrying a new cluster to the pcm first. They may want to rape you. Pull-A-Part wants $32 for a cluster, if someone has damaged one there I'd be inclined to take it apart and see how they designed the lighting, or buy 2 of them and play with one at home.
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    That means they most likely used led's. Options: 1. Send cluster out for testing/repair - if it is a problem with the cluster and it can be repaired it avoids the dealer cost of a new cluster and/or marrying it to the pcm. 2. See if Pull-A-Part Memphis has a 2004 Navi on the yard. If the price...
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    If you have a bright flashlight shine it in one of the sockets to see what will light up. That way we will know if those are used to illuminate the cluster or indicator lights.
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    Connect the cluster back up but leave one of the bulbs out. There are two contacts on the board for the bulb. One is powered and the other is ground. Jumper in place, dimmer set to high, meter on dc volts. Red lead to the contacts while the black lead to a good ground. One side should have power...
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    The medium Grey bulb holders - twist to unlock them and test with your meter
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    Starting at "off" it is 9 clicks clockwise - put the leads together and it should tone. The meter provides power when test for continuity. That is the reason you disconnect power in the circuit and disconnect the plug at the cluster. Plus at higher voltages the meter would explode on you...
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    Grounds - disconnect the plug from the cluster, meter to continuity setting, one lead to ground wire in the plug the other to the ground point at the other end of the wire. Lighting would need to use the jumper as before to power the circuit. You probably have a bad splice.
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    Can't go by looks - can't see breaks inside the insulation. With the park/headlights on are the radio lights on also and will the dimmer switch work on them? The illumination circuit runs through the instrument cluster. If everything after the cluster works as it should then the problem is...
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    Have you checked the grounds? They are usually located behind the driver and passenger kick panels. Since your air bag light is on that means at least one of the grounds is good. Another thing to check are the bulbs in the cluster - are they there, good etc?
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    Time to pull the cluster so that you have access to the plugs in the back. Jumper in place, check for power at: c220a pin 12 c220a pin 15 ign switch in "run" - see diagram 60-5
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    Jumper should stay on pin 2 then see if there is power coming out of the dimmer on pin 4.
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    Anything on pin 4 of c2065a with the jumper in place?
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    If you are printing as a pdf they are using a setting that bitmaps the image to keep you from providing others with a good copy.
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    I looked at the 2003 Navi diagrams and 17-4 is the same as the 2004. The program lists all the diagrams that have s224 on them but not the location. So that means you have to follow the wire until you find it. Or you could use a jumper wire to put power on pin 2 - connector c2065b with the main...
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    Diagram 71-4 see splice between main light switch and dimmer switch at bottom of page, looks like s124. There will be a diagram locating each splice by number. Check the splice for power with key in run position.
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    The black diamond triangles usually contain letters. What letters are in the triangles on 71-5? Check fuse for main light switch - can't make out the fuse number. If it is good and powered check for voltage out on pin 12? with light in park position and again with headlights on. If power is...
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    When you turn the main light switch on do any of the leds in the switch also come on? The diagram shows there are 4 of them. On diagram 71-4, right side of the Main Light Switch, circuit 19 - pin 1 links to another diagram. I can't make out which diagram and what letter is used for the link.
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    They are listed in the 71 series but they are bitmapped pretty bad - type isn't clear. There is a ground location diagram that will help you located where they are on the Navi.
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    Going back over the thread I just saw that, sorry. Next is check the grounds. Looks like G200, G301, G101
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    Start with the simple stuff - check fuses in the cjb. F1.1 F1.15 F1.21 And need the Illumination wiring diagrams that have the cluster lighting.
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    We'll work on getting the cluster lights on first then work on the gauges not functioning. Even though these look "old style" they use stepper motors and/or groups mag coils for different gauges. When you first turn the ignition on to run the cluster will perform an initialization and sweep the...
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    I'll look at the diagrams after I feed my 4 legged family. Is the cluster the old style gauge or digital?
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    Going to need the cluster wiring diagrams plus lighting diagrams if they include the cluster.
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    Need to clarify what you mean by the instrument cluster not having power as in none of the gauges work or none of the lights work etc. The PATS system marries the cluster to the pcm so since it is starting now that would indicate the cluster is getting power at some point. The dlc is only a...
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    04 Navi No Start-No Crank No PWR to OBD

    You'll need the diagrams that show the DLC on them, usually the power distribution diagrams have it. Check the engine controls diagrams, sometimes it is on them also.
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