2000 EB to 2017 eco boost - hesitant

[Machete]

My truck has 170,*** and has been flawless. Its a cream puff cosmetically inside and out and I love this truck, very reliable, easy to maintain. I drive it from Chicago to Florida and back all the time, its just a great truck.

Now Im giving it to my son and am interested in the 2017 Ltd model, I need trailer tow package but wondered about the longevity of the V6 turbo. I keep my vehicles for long long periods, I still have my 1992 BMW 735i that has 294,*** mi on it right now and I dont plan on getting rid or giving it away.

My plan for a new Expy would be to keep for very long time like my current 2000 EB.

Wondered if anyone has had any ailments with the eco boost when over 100k or 150k miles?

Thanks,

 

[cullinan18]

The F150 has been using it since 2011, but it was first used by Ford/Lincoln in 2010 in several vehicles. There are plenty of examples (both good and bad) of high mileage ecoboosts. Here are a couple positives I found.

http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/heres-how-a-ford-f-150-ecoboost-held-up-after-200-000-m-1790602670

https://www.f150forum.com/f2/high-mileage-ecoboost-durability-200k-341212/

https://www.f150forum.com/f38/how-reliable-2011-ecoboost-217-000-miles-307679/

http://www.f150ecoboost.net/forum/6-f150-ecoboost-chat/14799-my-2011-just-hit-250-000-miles.html

 

[bobmbx]

My truck has 170,*** and has been flawless. Its a cream puff cosmetically inside and out and I love this truck, very reliable, easy to maintain. I drive it from Chicago to Florida and back all the time, its just a great truck.

Now Im giving it to my son and am interested in the 2017 Ltd model, I need trailer tow package but wondered about the longevity of the V6 turbo. I keep my vehicles for long long periods, I still have my 1992 BMW 735i that has 294,*** mi on it right now and I dont plan on getting rid or giving it away.

My plan for a new Expy would be to keep for very long time like my current 2000 EB.

Wondered if anyone has had any ailments with the eco boost when over 100k or 150k miles?

Thanks,

Keep in mind that turbocharged engines have been used in passenger vehicles for decades. This is not new technology. My first turbo was a 1985 Nissan 300ZX. It came with multiple warning placards reminding you to let the engine run at idle for a few minutes after running hard or driving on the highway, even at interstate speed limits. The issue was a hot turbine not being cooled, and resulting in burned oil and a **** buildup on the turbine bearings. I followed the advice, and never had an issue.

My next one was a 1987 Porsche 951 (monster car, btw). It had check valves in the turbine oiling system to keep the oil on the bearings after shutdown instead of draining to the sump, and an electric oil pump to circulate oil over the bearings for a few minutes after shutdown. Pretty slick, eh? Note: It was a 4 cyl, pumping out around 240-250HP, IIRC. Thats a lot for a 4 cyl. Never had an issue.

Jump ahead 25 years, and now I have a twin turbo. It still has less than 3000 miles on it, so I can't relate any meaningful data to you about it.

If there was an issue with the EcoBoost, you'd certainly already know it. They've been around for almost a decade now, and they aren't dropping like flies.

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

What Bob said. I've had my 17 since February. It's my second Expedition. I am very happy with my purchase. I've made two long trips at close to 80 MPH on the speedo (actual speed according to GPS is 77-78 MPH). It is much quieter than the 05, I have almost 4800 miles on it now. I don't do a lot of driving so mine will last a long time.

 

[JExpedition07]

An ecoboost "generally" isn't going to last as long as a naturally aspirated V8 engine. But does it need to go that long for you? The Triton engine along with other V8s were designed to be truck engines and they had simplicity and longevity in mind in the design more so than the ecoboost. If you take care of a Eco it will take care of you, it's a pretty solid powertrain and you probably aren't going to "work it into the ground" so it should be fine if you keep it up. Good torque curve that comes in low and high horsepower it's a good combo. Now if you were going to beat the living s*** out of it it's prob not the best choice and a N/A engine would do you better, it's all on your needs as the owner.

 

[Machete]

I apologize I prolly didnt ask the more pointed question which is... does anyone have practical experience with the eco boost engine at 100k to 200k miles.

Answering a previous question, yes, I do need longevity in any vehicle I purchase. As I wrote earlier, my 2000 Ex has 175k, my bimmer has 294k, and both are perfect.

I would not purchase any vehicle, turbo or otherwise, and I dont necessarily prefer a turbo engine, if it was not designed with an expectation to hit 200k before end of life. 200k isnt really much when youre asked to spend $50k-$60k IMHO.

Anyone have 100k-200k mi on their eco boost out there?

 

[Machete]

The F150 has been using it since 2011, but it was first used by Ford/Lincoln in 2010 in several vehicles. There are plenty of examples (both good and bad) of high mileage ecoboosts. Here are a couple positives I found.

http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/heres-how-a-ford-f-150-ecoboost-held-up-after-200-000-m-1790602670

https://www.f150forum.com/f2/high-mileage-ecoboost-durability-200k-341212/

https://www.f150forum.com/f38/how-reliable-2011-ecoboost-217-000-miles-307679/

http://www.f150ecoboost.net/forum/6-f150-ecoboost-chat/14799-my-2011-just-hit-250-000-miles.html

This is great! Thank you!

 

[JExpedition07]

For the mileage you out on yours since 2000 I think you'd be fine with an eco. Most modern engines will hit 200k. Now a "long lasting" one today like fords newer V8s are out here doing half a million miles. The 6.2 Boss never quits...ever.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1463885-6-2l-longevity-2.html

 

[Hayes Riviere]

Unrelated, but have you owned your 2000 since new? My mom briefly had a 98 before crashing it in 2003, after which she got one of the Ford vans.

The Ecoboost engines are also quite reliable. There is some skepticism surrounding the turbocharged engines with smaller displacement, though I believe that they are fine and many will agree with me on that one.

 

[Machete]

Yes, I am original owner of both my Ex and bimmer. I do over-maintenance to all my vehicles (boat and harley included).

 

[07xln]

I can't figure out where all this concern for an Ecoboosts longevity comes from? Every day you hear someone say I don't think they'll last long yet they never say why they think that. If they do their only remark is "because it's turboed". Forced induction has been around forever in automobiles and is very reliable. I've got 11000 on my 17 EL as of now with 2000 of those miles towing a 9000# 35' toy hauler and it hasn't given me a lick of trouble. Have you seen the tests Ford has done on the Ecoboost? They've ran them constant on engine dynos for like 200k miles only stopping for oil changes then opened them up and they look brand new inside. They've ran them in trophy trucks and beat the shit out of them in Baja and haven't had any issues. Ford is so confident in them they've put them in the $500k Ford GT. They abandoned the V8 in the raptor for the Eco and it's the best selling motor in the F150. For you to think Ford would stick a motor not capable of going the distance in 90% of their entire automotive lineup is absurd. It means you truly have no faith in Ford as a brand or a manufacturer. This argument has been beat to death on this forum time and time again. The Eco out performs the 5.4 in every shape or form period. Sure the 5.4 maybe can tow 9000lbs but I promise you it won't do it nearly as efficiently as the Eco. All you have to do is look at the torque numbers between the two motors to figure that out. You won't find one single prior 5.4 owner on this forum or off it for that matter that now owns an Eco and thinks the 5.4 is better. Not one. The people that do dog on them are not Eco owners. If you have a doubt about the Eco then go buy a GM or buy a used Expedition with the 5.4 so you'll sleep better at night

And OP you're probably not gonna find a person on here with an Eco Expedition with 100-150k miles on them. After all they've only been out for two years. I don't know a lot of folks that put 50-75k miles a year on their vehicles. If they do then they certainly won't be on here chit chatting. They won't have time because they'll be out on the road driving.

 

[Machete]

I can't figure out where all this concern for an Ecoboosts longevity comes from? Every day you hear someone say I don't think they'll last long yet they never say why they think that. If they do their only remark is "because it's turboed". Forced induction has been around forever in automobiles and is very reliable. I've got 11000 on my 17 EL as of now with 2000 of those miles towing a 9000# 35' toy hauler and it hasn't given me a lick of trouble. Have you seen the tests Ford has done on the Ecoboost? They've ran them constant on engine dynos for like 200k miles only stopping for oil changes then opened them up and they look brand new inside. They've ran them in trophy trucks and beat the shit out of them in Baja and haven't had any issues. Ford is so confident in them they've put them in the $500k Ford GT. They abandoned the V8 in the raptor for the Eco and it's the best selling motor in the F150. For you to think Ford would stick a motor not capable of going the distance in 90% of their entire automotive lineup is absurd. It means you truly have no faith in Ford as a brand or a manufacturer. This argument has been beat to death on this forum time and time again. The Eco out performs the 5.4 in every shape or form period. Sure the 5.4 maybe can tow 9000lbs but I promise you it won't do it nearly as efficiently as the Eco. All you have to do is look at the torque numbers between the two motors to figure that out. You won't find one single prior 5.4 owner on this forum or off it for that matter that now owns an Eco and thinks the 5.4 is better. Not one. The people that do dog on them are not Eco owners. If you have a doubt about the Eco then go buy a GM or buy a used Expedition with the 5.4 so you'll sleep better at night

And OP you're probably not gonna find a person on here with an Eco Expedition with 100-150k miles on them. After all they've only been out for two years. I don't know a lot of folks that put 50-75k miles a year on their vehicles. If they do then they certainly won't be on here chit chatting. They won't have time because they'll be out on the road driving.

There seems to be plenty of eco boost owners with over 100k miles out there and on this forum, you happen to be one of them.

As far as the dyno test you mention, running an engine on a dyno constantly for 200k miles is not representative of daily driving with starts and stops, changing climates, out on the street. A control room with HVAC and steady state run...most engines will go 200k without a problem. Add load and all the variables of real life work and use things change quickly.

Faith? No, I dont do faith when it comes to auto manufacturers. There are far too many horror stories about failures where Ford did not step up but bailed because the owner had just lapsed his warranty period. Faith in engineering is useless, facts and practical experience is more reliable. Remember the Pinto and its cousins.

Abandonment of the V8 - which by the way Ford has not, is a business strategy also influenced by politics (see DOT and EPA standards requirements).

You know what they say....if its an issue, then its an issue...re your comment "...this issue has been beat to death on this forum..." I don't find such bantor on V8s, 5.4, 5.0 or otherwise.

Lastly, re turbo engines, yes, questions are legit in gas engines vs diesels for street and daily driving use. Competitive driving is a different application all together and I can understand the advantages of forced induction there. For civilian use and daily driving? Not sure I find many turbo'd gas engines in non high performance applications where longevity and reliability are premium.

Im not averse to the eco boost, I am only seeking practical experiences in high mileage use regarding its reliability and longevity. None of the other manufacturers that I can find are using turbo v6 gassers in their truck application. If it were such a revolutionary technology, everyone would copy it.

Thank you for all the comments.

 

[Big Brian]

I used to run an engine dyno for the company in question as well as others.

Its not just running constantly for 200k miles

The engine dyno is a very complex piece of equipment, it has varying loads hooked up to computers and the engines are subjected to all kinds of real world conditions, loads, temperatures etc. They are run in climate controlled rooms.

Engineers load a vehicle with computers, drive them all around hot and cold high altitude and low, towing and not, and then they record this data and create test profiles that are loaded into the dyno's computers to simulate these driving conditions

just to set the record straight on what an engine dyno does.

 

[Machete]

I used to run an engine dyno for the company in question as well as others.

Its not just running constantly for 200k miles

The engine dyno is a very complex piece of equipment, it has varying loads hooked up to computers and the engines are subjected to all kinds of real world conditions, loads, temperatures etc. They are run in climate controlled rooms.

Engineers load a vehicle with computers, drive them all around hot and cold high altitude and low, towing and not, and then they record this data and create test profiles that are loaded into the dyno's computers to simulate these driving conditions

just to set the record straight on what an engine dyno does.

Thank you for the clarification.

The way I see it, controlled room dyno simulations are a lot like dating, no way in hell representative of a marriage

 

[Flexpedition]

Marketing, and Ford got you sucked in. Pun intended.

EcoBoost isn't anything more than marketing. Its the turbo everyone knows about coupled with gas direct injection which is a far less masculine conversation. Its hard to find a vehicle mfg today that doesn't offer a small displacement GDI turbo engine serving as a replacement for a larger, NA, EFI motor. Its the industry direction.

Not everyone is as clever with the marketing as Ford. I see Skyactive on a Mazda and it means nothing to me. For years I assumed it was some kind of solar panel hybrid battery charging McGillicutty?

Look at the countless thousands of Dodge owners who plaster HEMI decorations all over their vehicles. My 1987 Ford Escort GT (which I only drove from 87-88 by the way) had a hemispherical combustion chamber, but back then pencil beards weren't cool and neither were HEMI stickers. But ask a Dodge owner today why they bought and they'll tell you its because its got a HEMI. That and their 585 credit score.

 

[jkayca]

I love the talk about downsized turbo V6's having better fuel efficiency than the V8s they are replacing. In a lab, yes maybe it's true. In the real world, turbos often have worse fuel economy. Check this article out: https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/gl...29705614/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

When the EPA introduces new, more real-world like tests, I think many auto manufactures will re-think downsizing the engine and adding a turbo. Hybrid power plants will be they way to go.

 

[Big Brian]

they don't just test them on a dyno I was just explaining how dyno testing works.

They also test them in real world conditions, pulling all kinds of loads over all kinds of terrain for more miles than you can imagine. I knew guys who's job it was to drive test vehicles from one end of the country to the other pulling all sorts of loads on trailers.

I thought it would be a cool job at first but they told me it gets real old being away from home doing nothing but driving

I worked for Ford for 13 years in the special vehicle build group doing development testing

 

[JExpedition07]

Ford said the exact same things about the 5.4 Triton when they redesigned it (3 valve version) and said all those things about their 6.2L. That's marketing any company will always say theirs is the best and that it passed their torture tests... if you put your faith in what the marketing team says well.... good luck. Ford hasn't abandoned their V8s nor are they, they are investing in further V8 development actually.

 

[07xln]

There seems to be plenty of eco boost owners with over 100k miles out there and on this forum, you happen to be one of them.

As far as the dyno test you mention, running an engine on a dyno constantly for 200k miles is not representative of daily driving with starts and stops, changing climates, out on the street. A control room with HVAC and steady state run...most engines will go 200k without a problem. Add load and all the variables of real life work and use things change quickly.

Faith? No, I dont do faith when it comes to auto manufacturers. There are far too many horror stories about failures where Ford did not step up but bailed because the owner had just lapsed his warranty period. Faith in engineering is useless, facts and practical experience is more reliable. Remember the Pinto and its cousins.

Abandonment of the V8 - which by the way Ford has not, is a business strategy also influenced by politics (see DOT and EPA standards requirements).

You know what they say....if its an issue, then its an issue...re your comment "...this issue has been beat to death on this forum..." I don't find such bantor on V8s, 5.4, 5.0 or otherwise.

Lastly, re turbo engines, yes, questions are legit in gas engines vs diesels for street and daily driving use. Competitive driving is a different application all together and I can understand the advantages of forced induction there. For civilian use and daily driving? Not sure I find many turbo'd gas engines in non high performance applications where longevity and reliability are premium.

Im not averse to the eco boost, I am only seeking practical experiences in high mileage use regarding its reliability and longevity. None of the other manufacturers that I can find are using turbo v6 gassers in their truck application. If it were such a revolutionary technology, everyone would copy it.

Thank you for all the comments.

You didn't read my post right. I have 11000 miles not 110000. And no you wont find anybody on here with a 2yr old truck with 100-150k miles. Search and you'll see there have been others inquiring about high mileage Eco's on here and have gotten no response. Go check out the F150 forum and you'll find plenty of high mileage Eco's over there and can get the info you're looking for.
With that said after reading your above post it sounds like you've already made up your mind. You say Ford doesn't step when you're out of Warranty yet you some how think other manufacturers will??? Its called a warranty period for a reason. You talk of your 2000 model and how great it has been, youre obviously interested in sticking with Ford yet have no faith in the brand simply because the vehicle you want doesn't offer a V8 option. I'm confused by that one.
I didn't say they completely abandoned the V8 but have done so in a lot of their lineup. The GT (a half million $ supercar which by the way is killing Ferraris and Lambos right and left) went from 8 to 6, the Raptor went from 8 to 6. Those are Fords top of the line vehicles. The Mustang this year is losing the V6 option and replaced with just Eco's. The Mustang will probably always keep a V8 in some form but I suspect it will eventually move to a high powered twin V6 as an option. The Super Duty IMO doesn't factor into this argument. It will stay turbo V8 for ever. So yes in the meaning of the word they have somewhat abandoned the V8 and especially the V6.
You say the Eco was influenced by politics EPA standards and what not yet no other manufacturer is doing what theyre doing. You mean to tell me Ford is the only manufacturer the government is leaning on??? Yeah right.
You find no such banter between V8's because you're comparing apples to apples. A NA V8 and a twin turbo V6 are worlds apart so naturally there will be arguments between the pros and cons of the two.
How can it be revolutionary tech when its been around for decades??? What manufacturers choose to do and put out to market is up to them. Ultimately its about what will bring the most money in. I think the others have copied the tech and even have it in future development theyre just scared to go to market with it honestly. V8's sell no question about it so why fix something if it isn't broke.

Ford is making money hand over foot with the Eco. There have been no reports of mass failures or vehicles that cant make it 100+k miles. Every major publication that reports on the Eco has done nothing but rave about them since day one. I stand behind my original statement when I say you wont find one person that came from a 5.4 to an Eco and still thinks the 5.4 is better.

Again with your comment above you've made up your mind. Go buy a Tahoe or an Armada or something with a big V8. You ask about the Eco and when someone raves about it and gives you an honest opinion you knock anything they have to say and blame politics or say its no good because not everyone else is doing it.

Good luck with whatever vehicle you purchase. I'm sure you'll find one that makes you happy

 

[Big Brian]

its not just V8's that's getting abandonded its pistons.

The sister company I work for now makes pistons among other engine components (castings, called hardparts in the industry)

the piston business is shrinking overall. Should be no surprise to anyone really