2008 V-8 vs. 2016 V-6 on the Road

[coolzzy]

If they can get production numbers up on the new 18s, it might start to even out, it's just a really big gap to try and close in half a production year.

Ford screwed up by not changing the external design and powertrain options for soo long, then people got bored with it. Fact is it has more usable interior space with the flat third row, rides better, tows better, has better interior tech options. If the body had changed in 15 when the ecoboost came available, they would have been further along on converting the masses back to Ford. Give it some time, and hopefully sane pricing from Ford so normal people can afford them, and we'll start to see things shift. Although the minute GM offers independant rear suspension in their suvs and offers the 6.2 in all trim levels that could really be a toss up.

 

[JExpedition07]

Well they’ve started the move, the 6.2L for 2019 will be available on both SLT and Denali GMC trims. It’s also now available in both the Tahoe and Suburban. IRS we will see.

 

[GaryH2]

I've been fortunate enough to have my 5.4L 2007, and have driven a 2016 3.5L and 2018 with the 3.5L ( and also the 4.6L in my old 2002) -( I rent for work at least once a month) While I agree that the 5.4 (and 4.6 for that matter) are smoother than the 3.5L in the 15-17, the 18 seemed to really have the VH worked out. The turbos spooling up sound pretty cool even if it's not a V8. As another poster noted, you're getting a lot more hp and torque with the same (or in the case of the 18) better mpg. The tramission in the 15-17 didn't seem to be mapped too well to the 3.5L but the 18 had that worked out with gears for every occasion.

Also, I could never figure out the Tahoe/Suburban dominance and resale values. The third row is superior in the Expy and has been for years.


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[JExpedition07]

I think that the Tahoe has always been the darling of the segment because of looks. Personally I like the look of the Expy from 03-17 but we are the minority there. I couldn’t agree more on the third row, so much more useable and it lays flat which is huge for me. As far as the smoothness A V8 will normally feel smoother than a V6 simply because it’s more balanced having even cylinders per bank.

 

[Dakota4ce]

Huh?


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[JExpedition07]

Huh?


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Merely explaining everyone’s observation on the smoothness. A V8 has two banks of four cylinders and it’s balanced by design and doesn’t require balance shafts to try to illeviate the vibrations like an I-4 or V6. You also are getting closer overlapping power pulses per revolution. The more power pulses per revolution the smoother the motor. Same goes for the V6 being smoother than the I-4. Not saying any are bad as many have observed this, just explaining why. I haven’t observed the ecoboost to be overly loud or to be much of a shaker though.

 

[jeff kushner]

"Let’s be real; Expedition has never been a viable competitor to the GM offerings, and it really has very little (i.e. nothing) to do with the engines."



Really? I've bought THREE of them.....and keep this in mind.....I don't drive an Expedition because I need one for my family....I drive alone!

I have bought them all because I liked them and could afford them so maybe you want to rethink that blanket statement? Of course if one apparently enjoys paying $1.17 for my dollar, I'll be happy to afford you with as many as you wish to purchase!




jeff

 

[Flexpedition]

Have read an article or two about the 2.7L turbo 4 cylinder going into Silverado and Sierra pickups soon - many speculate it could find its way into Tahoe/Yukon line, as an option. Journalist speculation, so take it for what its worth.

 

[Dakota4ce]

"Let’s be real; Expedition has never been a viable competitor to the GM offerings, and it really has very little (i.e. nothing) to do with the engines."



Really? I've bought THREE of them.....and keep this in mind.....I don't drive an Expedition because I need one for my family....I drive alone!

I have bought them all because I liked them and could afford them so maybe you want to rethink that blanket statement? Of course if one apparently enjoys paying $1.17 for my dollar, I'll be happy to afford you with as many as you wish to purchase!




jeff

By that blanket statement, I mean the GM offerings outsell the Expedition historically by a country mile. I do not -prefer- the GM offerings, so no need to take offense at a statement based on historical sales. Not meant to call your Expedition inferior by any means.

I own an Expedition, by preference. But every Tom Dick and Harry out there, relatively speaking, owns a GM.

Not sure I am tracking on your $1.17 comment?


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[Trainmaster]

Here's the article referred to by Flexpedition, I think:
https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2018/05/30/the-disposable-truck/

SAE Engineer Eric Peters examines GM's decision to make the 4 cylinder 2.7L standard in Silverados. Like many of the mechanics and engineers here, Peters is critical of the complexity vs. benefit compromise of turbocharging small engines to meet socialist mandates.

I think he well explains the opinions of some of the posters here, though he may go a bit overboard in his critical opinion of the longevity of newer little powerhouse motors.

 

[JExpedition07]

Trainmaster that’s my issue with it. The govt pushing around the manufacturers and forcing consumers to buy things they may not want. Ford and GM would not be walking this road if it were not for the overstepping epa and gov and they fought it behind the scenes. Unfortunately cafe applies to half ton trucks.... thankfully 3/4 ton plus are largely immune which explains the diversity.

 

[Plati]

Trainmaster that’s my issue with it. The govt pushing around the manufacturers and forcing consumers to buy things they may not want. Ford and GM would not be walking this road if it were not for the overstepping epa and gov and they fought it behind the scenes. Unfortunately cafe applies to half ton trucks.... thankfully 3/4 ton plus are largely immune which explains the diversity.

This is the world we live in and there will always be lots of opinions about government regulation. Motorcycle helmets, airbags, catalytic converters, CAFE standards, safety belts, gun control, ethanol gas, refrigerants ... the list goes on & on.

We've all benefited AND suffered from all of these things. Small changes in gasoline demand can have huge impacts on supply and price, so CAFE standards have had a huge positive impact on your life whether you know it or not. Catalytic converters are expensive but have dramatically improved air quality. Its all a compromise.

 

[JExpedition07]

Everything is a slippery slope. Catylitic converters also drastically decrease fuel economy (MPG).

 

[Trainmaster]

J, you'll enjoy Eric Peters column. He's a libertarian who looks at the automotive trade without the socialist propaganda we've endured for the past several decades. With some of these regulations lifting now, we should have more access to the products the people like us want.

 

[jeff kushner]

By that blanket statement, I mean the GM offerings outsell the Expedition historically by a country mile. I do not -prefer- the GM offerings, so no need to take offense at a statement based on historical sales. Not meant to call your Expedition inferior by any means.

I own an Expedition, by preference. But every Tom Dick and Harry out there, relatively speaking, owns a GM.

Not sure I am tracking on your $1.17 comment?


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Fair enough and I don't disagree that GM outsells Ford, cause they do....be a country mile too! I misinterpreted your statement as you saw....anyone have any ambien?<LOL>

The Tahoe I was looking at would have cost me 17% more than I paid out the door for my '17 and that did not include the "Out the door" fees which in Maryland, incl 6% sales tax...3 grand on my truck, plus the other title crap.

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[coolzzy]

Yup, a similarly equipped suburban compared to my 17 EL with 202a would have been 10-15k more, and wouldn't tow as well as the ecoboost either (suburban with the 5.3L)

 

[Boose]

Yup, a similarly equipped suburban compared to my 17 EL with 202a would have been 10-15k more, and wouldn't tow as well as the ecoboost either (suburban with the 5.3L)

The 5.3 is an absolute DOG compared to the EB... I had a rental Suburban while my Expy was in the body shop... There is no comparison in my opinion. My EL handles like a sports car compared to that lumbering beast.

 

[coolzzy]

Yup, between the lack of towing power and that stupid rear seat setup for kids only, those were big deal breakers on the suburban. Now if I could have had a 6.2L Yukon XL, I would have tolerated the lousy third row option.

 

[Adieu]

Everything is a slippery slope. Catylitic converters also drastically decrease fuel economy (MPG).

Yeah seriously sometimes they just overdo things until they get ridiculous

And companies just make compliance mods tailored to the regulation rather than build from the ground up based around the new rules as the gubmint seems to expect...results and performance and even common sense be damned

new US market washing machines have water flow limiters (literally plugs in hoses to make them narrower) so harsh they cant rinse properly.... had MAD allergies/skin issues unless I ran TWO additional full wash cycles on a load to rinse it, until i figured it out, popped the hood, and removed or drilled out (i forget) them plugs

....give it 10 years and you might just have to hotrod your new toaster oven or teakettle

 

[LokiWolf]

Yeah seriously sometimes they just overdo things until they get ridiculous

And companies just make compliance mods tailored to the regulation rather than build from the ground up based around the new rules as the gubmint seems to expect...results and performance and even common sense be damned

new US market washing machines have water flow limiters (literally plugs in hoses to make them narrower) so harsh they cant rinse properly.... had MAD allergies/skin issues unless I ran TWO additional full wash cycles on a load to rinse it, until i figured it out, popped the hood, and removed or drilled out (i forget) them plugs

....give it 10 years and you might just have to hotrod your new toaster oven or teakettle

Just let this thread die dude. You replied a month after the last response...