2015/2016

[dlcorbett]

i can see that as a irritant, i tested one with the bliss and that little dot can be hard to see without a second glance. the ccd option does make the truck ride smoother on "smooth" roads but if you like road feel than you probably would like your set up more anyway, either way its smoother than any thing below its price tag . idk if the old 2nd expys w air drove like the equivalent navi but i kno the 2nd gen navi had a smoother softer more luxurious feel compared to the expy with coils. i kno most ppl are sayin the 18 mirrors are 2 small but if you look at the actual visible area of tbe glass, its larger than the current models

 

[LokiWolf]

The problem with the CCD in the Platinum is you have to get the 22Inch wheels with it, and you don't have the ability for the load leveling shocks. You also lose towing capability because of the CCD. I have the limited with the 301A package and the Load Leveling shocks. Everything that comes on a Platinum other than the CCD and 22Inch wheels, with maximum towing and payload, and cheaper tires!

 

[B-McD]

LokiWolf - More details on the loss of towing capacity with CCD please. I checked that with Ford Customer Service and my local dealer at the time of purchase to verify I indeed had 9200 lb capacity. I tow a 6500 lb trailer with a WD hitch and the rear end drops 1/2" to an 1". No need for leveling shocks.

 

[powerboatr]

LokiWolf - More details on the loss of towing capacity with CCD please. I checked that with Ford Customer Service and my local dealer at the time of purchase to verify I indeed had 9200 lb capacity. I tow a 6500 lb trailer with a WD hitch and the rear end drops 1/2" to an 1". No need for leveling shocks.

it does not reduce towing capacity.
but 22" tires sometimes as in replacements must be the same weight capacity.
CCD does prohibit add on air shocks as it uses the special shocks to control rate of dampening that translates into ride quality
i test drove both models with and without. 22" were just to out of my style for a black on black ride.
in the ford literature it only has a footnote in the capacity listing to explain the weight of the driver.

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

The problem with the CCD in the Platinum is you have to get the 22Inch wheels with it, and you don't have the ability for the load leveling shocks. You also lose towing capability because of the CCD. I have the limited with the 301A package and the Load Leveling shocks. Everything that comes on a Platinum other than the CCD and 22Inch wheels, with maximum towing and payload, and cheaper tires!

I wonder if it would be possible to retrofit the load leveling suspension to a 17 Limited EL that didn't have it as a factory option.

 

[powerboatr]

it may be, as the load leveling is a mechanical system vice air shocks.

when i was searching for our expy..I found ZERO that had the factory load leveling system.
I would have had to special order the expy.
i searched the whole state and parts of AR and LA.
the ccd is simply an electronically adjustable shock absorber system that regulates valving based on selected ride quality. It adjusts rebound and extension, in real time.
I drove one that had it and it did ride pretty plush on the softest mode.
i think they had to develop it to allow the use of 22" wheels. That much wheel and little rubber make for a harsh ride. maybe to harsh based on expected ride quality for the expy.
i tested a harley edition 2010 f150 with 22" wheels, it SUCKED and was like riding a skateboard, rear end hopped bad.

i am sure ride quality has changed for the newer 150's but 22" imo in a truck are for looks and not practicality of trucks intended use.

 

[mdntblu]

What are the major differences between the 15 Ltd and 16 Ltd? I'm having a hard time finding a Ltd in my area (So Cal). I want an EL with remote start, push button start, sync 3 if possible otherwise MFT will be fine (that's what I have in my other cars), would love the blue color but white, black or Silver will be fine, would be nice to have the rear Entertainment for the kids. Even a Platinum or King Ranch would be fine. 35-50k miles.
Do any Expeditions have the park assist?

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

What are the major differences between the 15 Ltd and 16 Ltd? I'm having a hard time finding a Ltd in my area (So Cal). I want an EL with remote start, push button start, sync 3 if possible otherwise MFT will be fine (that's what I have in my other cars), would love the blue color but white, black or Silver will be fine, would be nice to have the rear Entertainment for the kids. Even a Platinum or King Ranch would be fine. 35-50k miles.
Do any Expeditions have the park assist?

Park assist won't come until 2018 - if you mean park by itself. Limited's and up have backup cams as standard and front and rear sensing. I started off asking my dealer to look for a 2015-16 program Expedition with 20 - 30 miles on it. They started watching the Ford dealer auctions for program cars but couldn't locate anything like what I wanted. They were saying that I was going to be in the $40-50K range, that's when they showed me the Limited EL that was on the lot and had everything on it that I wanted.

I don't think there is much difference between the 15, 16, or 17 models except maybe minor styling details.

 

[dlcorbett]

there arent any differences except sync 3 and one touch buttons. thats weird that one of the biggest selling points is the towing but the towing suspension option is the hardest option to find. i do wish that ford offered ccd on the other wheel options as well. 22s do look great though.

 

[jeff kushner]

I drove the Plat with CCD, a XLT and bought the Lmtd. The Plat can be made to ride smoother or tighter then either the XLT or Lmtd. On normal, the Plat rode too soft for me. I ended getting my Lmtd with every option available except the rear video(I live alone) and steering wheel heater. If I could have got the Plat without the "woodgrain" which I personally don't like, I would have but that wasn't an option. I spoke with the general manager and together he said that if I didn't want the CCD or woodgrain, then the loaded Lmtd was the only way to go.


I THINK the only difference between 16 & 17 is the buttons for the 3rd row seat have a each seat or both together option.

I bought the Limited with:


1. Control Trac® Four-Wheel-Drive System

2. Option package 301a,-includes:

Power moonroof

Power-deployable running boards

Voice-Activated Navigation System with HD Radio™

Voice activated controls- I can tell it to set the temps, bring up the weather map, make a call, read a text etc.

3. The Blind Spot Information System

4. All-weather rubber first- and second-row floor mats in addition to the carpeted ones

5. Available Navigation with SiriusXM Traffic and SiriusXM Travel Link®

6. Platinum tri-metalic paint option.

7. Second-row flip-fold manual reclining bucket seats

8. 20" magnetic painted wheels

9. 4WD of course (not standard even on the Platinum models so be careful)

And I'm probably forgetting something....who knows<LOL>!

The only issues I had Brad was that to buy a two or even a three year old truck meant spending 40 grand....I just couldn't get my head around that but again, everyone is different with different priorities.

jeff

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

Jeff it sounds like are trucks are very similar, except I don't have the appearance package with magnetic painted wheels, and mine is the EL version. I would like to have the load leveling suspension, but I don't tow that often so just having the HD tow package is good enough, but it would be nice to be able to add the load leveling rear suspension.

 

[LokiWolf]

The CCD Equipped vehicles cannot have the load leveling. CCD has special shocks, and the Load Leveling is special shocks, can't have both.

A non-Load Leveling Non-CCD equipped vehicle can have the load leveling shocks added. I know of at least one guy that has done it on a 16.

I stand corrected on the CCD equipped vehicles not having the same Towing Capacity. As long as they have the Heavy Duty trailer package an EL has 9200, and regular has 9300. My issue would be the leveling. Wouldn't want to load the rear, then put the car trailer behind it, and want it to squat. so for me the load leveling was more important. Plus I just wasn't a fan of the 22Inch wheel's design. I like the 20's.

FYI, easy way to tell Heavy Duty Trailering is whether you have the 7-Pin harness.

Here is the Towing Doc for 17:

https://www.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/17RV&TT_Ford_Expedition_Sep7.pdf

 

[B-McD]

Loki - Thanks for the update. If I didn't have the weight distributing Equalizer hitch setup, I think mine would drop way further than the 1/2" to 1" it does now. That is with cargo in the rear of the Expy and a 6500 lb trailer. Watch your tongue weight as well. You will know if you have your load too far to the rear of the trailer. Doesn't seem as "planted" on the highway. And yes, I have the HD towing package. Actually has both the 4 pin and the 7 pin. Good luck with your towing!

 

[jeff kushner]

I got the HD towing package(Std w/4WD Limited) not because I tow, which I only do VERY infrequently now that I sold the boat but because it comes with the larger radiator and larger trans cooler. I figured those alone would be important for making the engine last longer. That it also came with the trailer braking and trailer sway control and the cool stuff on the left hand display was just a bonus.

jeff

 

[07xln]

Jeff it sounds like are trucks are very similar, except I don't have the appearance package with magnetic painted wheels, and mine is the EL version. I would like to have the load leveling suspension, but I don't tow that often so just having the HD tow package is good enough, but it would be nice to be able to add the load leveling rear suspension.

It's odd you have the hd towing but not the load leveling shocks. I know they're an option but seems like they kinda just go together

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

It's odd you have the hd towing but not the load leveling shocks. I know they're an option but seems like they kinda just go together

It is an option that you have to add. When the dealer ordered the truck they just didn't order it. I would have liked to have load leveling. I am wondering if I can add it, but I haven't checked into it yet.

 

[jeff kushner]

07....yeah, LL shocks and HD tow probably does seem to go together to guys like you who actually tow....but the only reason I wanted the HD tow pkg was for the increased engine/trans cooling because I really don't tow very often. Over 17 years & 3 Expys I've only towed my boat (6,300 lbs total, 200lb tongue and now gone) and several enclosed 5x8 uhaul trailers with 2 or 3 motorcycles inside...that's really it. Yes, this puppy CAN tow 9300lbs but I really doubt that I'll ever do it.

I think that you're right Andy...it's how it was originally ordered by the dealer. I sure didn't put in for any requests. You CAN certainly add LL shocks aftermarket....lots of sources too. I have heard that the factory air suspension had a lot of issues that a quick search on this forum will show as I remember but the guys that have them would prob know best.

jeff

 

[LokiWolf]

15+ Trucks do not have Air Suspension, just a different set of Shocks made by Nivomat. Same brand GM uses on the Tahoe and its clones. Other brands license the Technology. There is no electronics involved or air compressor. The shock has cool valving technology that levels the vehicle after a short period of driving.

http://www.brakeandfrontend.com/nivomat-shock-absorbers-self-leveling-monotube-ride-control-units/

Andy, I know of one 16 Expy that had them added after the fact. No issues that I have heard. The dealer actually did the install. That is how I heard about it.

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

I think that you're right Andy...it's how it was originally ordered by the dealer. I sure didn't put in for any requests. You CAN certainly add LL shocks aftermarket....lots of sources too. I have heard that the factory air suspension had a lot of issues that a quick search on this forum will show as I remember but the guys that have them would prob know best.

jeff

I had factory air suspension on my 05. I loved it. The ride was very comfortable and if you loaded it down it would automatically level both the front and the rear. When you put it in 4 L it would raise the truck an extra 2" for ground clearance.

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

15+ Trucks do not have Air Suspension, just a different set of Shocks made by Nivomat. Same brand GM uses on the Tahoe and its clones. Other brands license the Technology. There is no electronics involved or air compressor. The shock has cool valving technology that levels the vehicle after a short period of driving.

http://www.brakeandfrontend.com/nivomat-shock-absorbers-self-leveling-monotube-ride-control-units/

Andy, I know of one 16 Expy that had them added after the fact. No issues that I have heard. The dealer actually did the install. That is how I heard about it.

Do you have any idea of the cost for them? It looks as simple as unbolting the existing shocks and putting on the load leveling. that would be easy enough to do.