2016 Expedition XLT EL

[07navi]

You can buy those oem brake controllers online, I just sold mine in there for $20 since I never tow.

 

[Flexpedition]

You can buy those oem brake controllers online, I just sold mine in there for $20 since I never tow.

You sure your 07 Navigator came with a OEM brake controller?

 

[Langer]

HD Transmission cooler is NBD, factory trailer brake controller is plug and play, but you must activate it in the computer through forscan. Adding the 7-pin is not bad, either. There’s a few good threads on here for all of those. I’ve done all three to my 2017 XLT.

https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/4-prong-to-7-prong.32359/page-3

Curt Manufacturing 57674 Towing... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001EP299A?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

https://www.tascaparts.com/auto-par...gine/cooling-system-cat/trans-oil-cooler-scat

https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/2015-upgrade-to-heavy-duty-towing.33493/

https://www.fordpartsgiant.com/parts/ford-module-trailer-brake_fl1z-2c006-d.html

https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/install-oem-brake-controller-on-my-2017-expy.37376/

 

[rjdelp7]

And you will of course provide real world numbers to back up your doomsday statement?...

Why do you think they added port injection in 2017? Other manufactures encountered the same problem. BMW I hear is a nightmare, with direct injection. I was told this prior to buying a 2015. It was left unsold until late 2016.The salesman actually told me to wait until the 2017's came out. I made up my mind right then, I will not buy a Expedition with a V6.

 

[07navi]

HD Transmission cooler is NBD, factory trailer brake controller is plug and play, but you must activate it in the computer through forscan. Adding the 7-pin is not bad, either. There’s a few good threads on here for all of those. I’ve done all three to my 2017 XLT.

https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/4-prong-to-7-prong.32359/page-3

Curt Manufacturing 57674 Towing... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001EP299A?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

https://www.tascaparts.com/auto-par...gine/cooling-system-cat/trans-oil-cooler-scat

https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/2015-upgrade-to-heavy-duty-towing.33493/

https://www.fordpartsgiant.com/parts/ford-module-trailer-brake_fl1z-2c006-d.html

https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/install-oem-brake-controller-on-my-2017-expy.37376/

I changed my 7 prong to 4 prong today. The 7 was too bulky, hard to plug in, and problematic. It was making my lights do all kinds of crazy things and only worked right sometimes. I put a little dielectric grease on the 4 prong and it's all much better now.

 

[dutchd1]

Technologically, the Ecoboost is a great performer, but it comes at the cost of more complexity. The Ecoboost can suffer from timing chain stretch, which is like a 3 - 4K job, and turbo failure. Which I've read can run up to 8K. I think a lot of the maintenance needs depends on the driving conditions (city/highway, towing, etc) and frequency of oil changes. The F150 forum would probably be a better source of info on the maintenance since it's the top selling vehicle in America and there are more of them on the road. There are horror stores on F150 forum about blown engines and turbos after buying used Ecoboosts. No way I would want to get one of these things without a warranty. Example:

https://www.f150forum.com/f11/some-advice-ecoboost-blew-yesterday-124k-mi-396090/index2/

The 5.4 suffers from timing chain stretch as well. Just had to get rid of my 2013 Exp (It had 178k) as both timing chains had stretched so bad It was knocking quite a bit trying to adjust but couldn’t. And the 5K cost was almost more than the vehicle was worth. Traded up to a 2018 Exp to get to the next generation. Love the 10 speed trans and the power from the EcoBoost. More power than my 2013 ever had and gets way better gas mileage. Even though the tank is smaller it the better mileage makes up for it for me. And just drove from DC To central TX and back last month in the newer one.

 

[Eric Wheeler]

HD Transmission cooler is NBD, factory trailer brake controller is plug and play, but you must activate it in the computer through forscan. Adding the 7-pin is not bad, either. There’s a few good threads on here for all of those. I’ve done all three to my 2017 XLT.

https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/4-prong-to-7-prong.32359/page-3

Curt Manufacturing 57674 Towing... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001EP299A?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

https://www.tascaparts.com/auto-par...gine/cooling-system-cat/trans-oil-cooler-scat

https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/2015-upgrade-to-heavy-duty-towing.33493/

https://www.fordpartsgiant.com/parts/ford-module-trailer-brake_fl1z-2c006-d.html

https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/install-oem-brake-controller-on-my-2017-expy.37376/

Thanks for all this information. Going to start with the brake controller.

 

[dutchd1]

Not wanting to influence anyone to make buying decisions, but consider the nature of "product insurance"...Insurance actuaries consider all cost/benefit aspects of a product when arising at market pricing for insuring a given product and the manufacturer of the product "never" loses in that insurance is also a product, with profit expectations!...In this case, if the Ecoboost engines or any other part of the vehicle were so highly failure prone, the premium/deductible costs would be so high that purchasers of the product, researching user experience and the huge premium/deductible costs of insurance would not purchase the vehicle in the first place. For what it is worth, I never purchase product insurance!

Let the discussion begin!...

Just got my 2018 through CarMax and got the service plan and you can choose your deductible ($0 to $350 I believe) and mileage level. The price was reasonable for the combo I chose - 4yrs 125K for $1250 and I rolled it into the purchase price - added about $14 per month.

 

[Randymac]

Eric, Have another beer, and formulate a different plan! Last year I "upgraded" from an '11 Platinum to a '17 platinum. Both with the full HD tow package, and a travel trailer @ about 6K lbs. While the Ecoboost has more power to tow, the '11 did a much beer job overall. New one sags more, with limited suspension upgrade options so the overall towing experience was uncomfortable. Lots of cavitation on any highway not in perfect condition. I ending up ALSO purchasing a low mileage 2008 F250 diesel and now I tow with a smile on my face. Wish I had kept the '11 in the first place.

 

[JExpedition07]

The 5.4 suffers from timing chain stretch as well. Just had to get rid of my 2013 Exp (It had 178k) as both timing chains had stretched so bad It was knocking quite a bit trying to adjust but couldn’t. And the 5K cost was almost more than the vehicle was worth. Traded up to a 2018 Exp to get to the next generation. Love the 10 speed trans and the power from the EcoBoost. More power than my 2013 ever had and gets way better gas mileage. Even though the tank is smaller it the better mileage makes up for it for me. And just drove from DC To central TX and back last month in the newer one.

5.4 uses twin Morse heat treated timing chains, they aren't stretching much lol. The 1st gen EcoBoost only uses a single chain which is its biggest flaw. What happens on the 5.4 is the chain tensioner gaskets blow out at higher mileage and can’t keep the chains tensioned. I just did all that work to my 5.4 in April. Stout design overall but the tensioners are the weak spot. 2 cheap gaskets ruined the fun for many people.

 

[dutchd1]

5.4 uses twin Morse heat treated timing chains, they aren't stretching much lol. The EcoBoost only uses a single chain. What happens is the chain tensioners blow out at higher mileage and can’t keep the chains tensioned. I just did all that work to my 5.4 in April. Stout design but the tensioners are the weak spot.

Perhaps the Ford dealership was incorrect. That's what they told me. They said the chains were stretched to the point the tensioners could no longer tension them enough to keep the timing consistent. Wouldn't be the first time a dealership made a mistake I guess.

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[07navi]

The 5.4 suffers from timing chain stretch as well. Just had to get rid of my 2013 Exp (It had 178k) as both timing chains had stretched so bad It was knocking quite a bit trying to adjust but couldn’t. And the 5K cost was almost more than the vehicle was worth. Traded up to a 2018 Exp to get to the next generation. Love the 10 speed trans and the power from the EcoBoost. More power than my 2013 ever had and gets way better gas mileage. Even though the tank is smaller it the better mileage makes up for it for me. And just drove from DC To central TX and back last month in the newer one.

Chains don't stretch they wear and never enough to affect timing, they should last forever unless you constantly ran low on oil. I don't think your timing problem was from chain wear but it probably jumped a tooth for some reason. Here comes the opposition........lol

 

[07navi]

Perhaps the Ford dealership was incorrect. That's what they told me. They said the chains were stretched to the point the tensioners could no longer tension them enough to keep the timing consistent. Wouldn't be the first time a dealership made a mistake I guess.

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[07navi]

Perhaps the Ford dealership was incorrect. That's what they told me. They said the chains were stretched to the point the tensioners could no longer tension them enough to keep the timing consistent. Wouldn't be the first time a dealership made a mistake I guess.

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That's totally ridiculous.

 

[JasonH]

Eric, Have another beer, and formulate a different plan! Last year I "upgraded" from an '11 Platinum to a '17 platinum. Both with the full HD tow package, and a travel trailer @ about 6K lbs. While the Ecoboost has more power to tow, the '11 did a much beer job overall. New one sags more, with limited suspension upgrade options so the overall towing experience was uncomfortable. Lots of cavitation on any highway not in perfect condition. I ending up ALSO purchasing a low mileage 2008 F250 diesel and now I tow with a smile on my face. Wish I had kept the '11 in the first place.

Do you have your scale numbers? I tow 7k with my 2017 and it tows fine.

 

[JasonH]

Chains don't stretch they wear and never enough to affect timing, they should last forever unless you constantly ran low on oil. I don't think your timing problem was from chain wear but it probably jumped a tooth for some reason. Here comes the opposition........lol

This video illustrates the problem. Tension can't take up slack in chain. Stretch refers to chain lengthening due to wear, not stretch like a rubber band.

 

[07navi]

This video illustrates the problem. Tension can't take up slack in chain. Stretch refers to chain lengthening due to wear, not stretch like a rubber band.

Exactly, that metal is super hard and never stretches. All I saw was a super hyper guy lifting a cab..........

 

[Eric Wheeler]

Another round for everyone. So went to pick up the truck today. A/C not working. The heater blows hot. I'm like WTH. Take it back. Get a call that the compressor needs to be replaced.
This car had been on the dealer lot for months btw. Hence the price and I got it $400 cheaper than that. Now it's got me thinking could more be wrong. The good thing is the dealer is going to take care of fixing it. No need to use the extended warranty I bought. It has 140K on the clock, going to have a new AC. Since that happen I felt a little funny about my purchase. Everything else appears to be working fine, except a backup sensor is bad somewhere causing the dash alarm or check backup system or something like that. Hopefully once all this get sorted out I will have a nice truck.

 

[Boostedbus]

Another round for everyone. So went to pick up the truck today. A/C not working. The heater blows hot. I'm like WTH. Take it back. Get a call that the compressor needs to be replaced.
This car had been on the dealer lot for months btw. Hence the price and I got it $400 cheaper than that. Now it's got me thinking could more be wrong. The good thing is the dealer is going to take care of fixing it. No need to use the extended warranty I bought. It has 140K on the clock, going to have a new AC. Since that happen I felt a little funny about my purchase. Everything else appears to be working fine, except a backup sensor is bad somewhere causing the dash alarm or check backup system or something like that. Hopefully once all this get sorted out I will have a nice truck.



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Nice! Wish you luck with your new ride. I’m absolutely in love with my 17 EL so far.

 

[KCAutosound]

Loved my Ecoboost. Towed great too. I previously had 12 and 00 Expeditions.

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