JExpedition07
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GM has a hybrid V8 in the works at least for the Corvette. I’d think they could easily carry that over to the Tahoe/Yukon that use the same LT architecture (6.2L)...
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2022 hybrid option? yes please
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JasonH
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I think GM would be quicker to adopt the new Hummer platform. It's part of GM's Ultium platform and will likely have more in common with an electrified platform suitable for trucks. One thing I will say for GM is that it seems to ahead of Ford on batteries. The Ultium architecture is designed for flexibility and reduced costs, and GM is taking steps towards assuring battery supply. Haven't really heard much from Ford on how it plans to ensure that it has enough batteries to meet demand.
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JExpedition07
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I’m still seeing how Toyota’s hydrogen deal pans out. They are pretty smart businessmen over in Japan and it seems they aren’t buying into the batteries too much. We shall see. I agree though, GMC Hummer looks promising and as far as their business end they have their EV program better layed out than Ford.
Ford made a great EV with this new Mustang Mach E. But they screwed up big time calling it a Mustang. It really turns me off to it and it’s a sexy car.
Ford made a great EV with this new Mustang Mach E. But they screwed up big time calling it a Mustang. It really turns me off to it and it’s a sexy car.
JasonH
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I don't think Toyota expected the price of batteries to fall as precipitously has they have. They're rapidly approaching the point where they can reach parity with ICE vehicles. Hydrogen seems silly. You loose so much in the repeated energy conversions, but an entire new dedicated infrastructure would have to be built. The good thing is that Hydrogen cars are electric cars with an onboard electricity source, so much of the tech will transfer to EVs.
The Mach E is going to be a homerun for Ford. I don't think anyone who was earnestly considering one would pass because of the name. When Porsche announced it was making SUVs people flipped out, then the Cayenne became their top seller. If anything, a Mustang SUV might expand the brand to people that need more functionality in their vehicles.
JExpedition07
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There are still a few glaring problems for EV’s but we will see if that changes in the coming years. As long as charging stations pick up the slack they can make it. I’m building apartments right now and none of my tenants will have a place to plug an EV in overnight besides the townhomes with attached garages.
There is not much incentive for those of us in development to add EV charging either....there is no current path to an attractive ROI. It makes sense for some plazas etc....but its rare. There would be more incentive if EV’s had more presence. Gas stations would have to pick up the slack and start to transition to a hybrid of fossil fuels and charging.
There is not much incentive for those of us in development to add EV charging either....there is no current path to an attractive ROI. It makes sense for some plazas etc....but its rare. There would be more incentive if EV’s had more presence. Gas stations would have to pick up the slack and start to transition to a hybrid of fossil fuels and charging.
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I like fuel cell as one option. They were invented in 1839 and just now technology developed to the point where we can have an automobile powered by that at consumer prices. We live in amazing times. With continued advancement like the Travelling Wave Reactor ... electricity will be more readily available to produce hydrogen at consumer prices.
With all the electronic crap on new Expys ... I also think some kind of hybrid is inevitable for reliability. Get rid of that insufficient lead acid battery and design a system that lasts 10 years and never is low on electrons. Maybe you don't drive the wheels with electricity but at least generate DC power from drivetrain & braking etc and keep the lithium batts all juiced up , get rid of alternator , maybe even power a/c & power steering & water pump with battery power. No snake belt! Less wear & tear on brakes. Set it up so you can power your house with it if you live in a state that has a power outage. Think outside the box.
With all the electronic crap on new Expys ... I also think some kind of hybrid is inevitable for reliability. Get rid of that insufficient lead acid battery and design a system that lasts 10 years and never is low on electrons. Maybe you don't drive the wheels with electricity but at least generate DC power from drivetrain & braking etc and keep the lithium batts all juiced up , get rid of alternator , maybe even power a/c & power steering & water pump with battery power. No snake belt! Less wear & tear on brakes. Set it up so you can power your house with it if you live in a state that has a power outage. Think outside the box.
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JExpedition07
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I think the key is to keep pursuing them all and see what wins out. Just because the EV has an early lead I wouldn’t count the others out. Steam seemed like it was going to take over the world until gasoline came along 
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.NyackRob79
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My question is:
How much more will the Hybrid model be?
How much gas is it expected to save you?
How much more will the truck weigh?
I generally do a simple formula. If a diesel (or hybrid) option costs $8k more but only saves you $1k in gas/year, then unless you're hoping to own the truck for 8 years to break even (assuming no other maintenance-related costs related to the hybrid tech are factored in), then this is - financially - a bad choice.
Let's wait for the actual numbers to make a good determination.
How much more will the Hybrid model be?
How much gas is it expected to save you?
How much more will the truck weigh?
I generally do a simple formula. If a diesel (or hybrid) option costs $8k more but only saves you $1k in gas/year, then unless you're hoping to own the truck for 8 years to break even (assuming no other maintenance-related costs related to the hybrid tech are factored in), then this is - financially - a bad choice.
Let's wait for the actual numbers to make a good determination.
NyackRob79
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That's true, but towing is also related to engine-cooling/transmission/heat dissipation. Don't expect to tow a 9,000lb boat to a lake in Arizona on a 110-degree day over any type of grade and expect your truck not to overheat.
JExpedition07
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The PowerBoost is good for city driving, but may actually have a slight penalty for highway driving with the extra drag from what I’ve seen owners post. In the city the PowerBoost starts to save by comparison though because the engine doesn’t need to work as hard to get rolling while the electric motor picks up the slack. The rating is 24/24.
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JasonH
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I think the attraction is that a certain segment of the population drives EVs, and that segment is desirable because its members have higher, more stable incomes. I would imagine that the cost of including charging stations in a new development is a drop in the bucket compared to the total development cost. For my single family, the 30 amp was like $500 for a new build. Not sure what level 3 would cost, but Level 2 would be sufficient for apartment dwellers, as they would likely live in higher density areas and would not travel very far during the day. They would likely need periodic partial charges. We don't have much charging infrastructure here in Houston relative to the number of cars, but I definitely think about where the charging stations are when I head out, even though I charge at home and very rarely need to charge away from my house.
JasonH
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But the coolest thing about the PowerBoost isn't even the mpg. It's a truck, so most half tons fall into a narrow mpg range. It's the utility of the 2.4/7.2kW inverter. The mpg and acceleration are just icing. It's like getting everything in one package with no compromises.
One day all the main roads will be powered to run all the cars and semi trucks. It will allow them to pull the heavy loads and go the long distances. The battery power will be used once they leave these powered corridors. Until then I am only interested in the hybrid so it can power my fridge and charge cordless tools.
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JExpedition07
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You can get the 2,000 watt generator and inverter pack on the regular eco and 5.0 too. It’s not limited to the hybrid. The hybrid has a bigger inverter available but 2,000 watts on the gas engines will run a lot for you (namely a TV and a mini fridge).
carymccarr
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Yep. Right now EV’s are pretty squarely bought by those who aren’t renting apartments. Luxury condos/townhomes, private golf courses, high end malls etc all have EV charging stations. Heck some high schools in nice areas have them.
The beta max vs vhs battle is over and EV’s won. People can wait it out and maybe someday they’ll be DVD’s and then streaming etc but for the foreseeable future EVs are the chosen tech it seems.
The truck has to be running right? No battery? I want some power without running the truck.
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Calidad
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The first EVs in CA were primarily charged at home on former 220 electric dryer circuits. Typical CA 60’s -70’s houses and even condos are 100amp service. Its easy to swap to a gas dryer and free up a 220-240v 50amp circuit. Thats what most of us did early on. Then about 5 yrs ago employers found they could offer a employee perk free charging!!! Pre COVID all my friends with EVs only charged at work, never charged at home. In fact many don’t even have chargers period at home. Its actually not economical to pay CA electric rates at home for EV charging.
I have my wife in a 2016 Ford Fusion Energi the T3 wasn’t out soon enough. 70,000 miles and currently life time mileage average is 62mpg!! We charge at both ends of the commute free at work and off peak at home. However!!! We installed solar on our house 8.2kwh system I ordered the equipment and hired a electrician it was 3yr break even cost vs 5-6yr via a “solar company”. My power plan incorporated the 5-6kwh charge on the Fusion Energi.
If / when we move to EV likely the Mach-e my mom has a T3. The Mach e is far more daily use friendly than the T3. The Mache has a great functional interior the T3 doesn’t. The Mach e has proper tires the T3 not so much. It took a full day and a 90 mile round trip to replace the T3 windshield after catching a rock. The Mach-e likely can get a windshield in our driveway by a installer Our EV won’t get charged at home given it will screw up our power plan which typically is net / net 365days a yr. We finish our 12 month solar cycle typically with zero energy credits left and low to zero owed cost to the utility. Roughly $500 month electric utility cost 12 months a yr we aren’t paying for the past 5 yrs.
Our full EV would be charged at the wife’s office for free on a level 3 charger.
Currently due to Covid I have been running local trips with the Ford Fusion Energi for a year mainly EV only it does 15-20 miles EV only on a charge. It finally got its first gas fill this week after 12 months!!
A plugin Hybrid Expedition with 10-15 mile EV range I would likely cut my gas use by 2/3rds. I would never buy a full EV SUV or Truck the range limitations especially with a trailer is a flat out NO for us. But a hybrid EV ability to do local trips in EV mode would be the ultimate hell yes for us.
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Calidad
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Electric rates are high and paying $50,000 to have a 300 amp drop run to the house so we can run a 50 amp EV charger and have a 50 AMP clothes dryer makes no sense. Switching to a natural gas dryer and repurposing the 50 amp circuit for EV use makes perfect sense. Natural Gas is cheaper than Electric for clothes dryer anyway. Plus no need for a utility drop upgrade from the grid at 50k cost.
NyackRob79
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I got a quote for $3k to run a 220V line from across my house (where the main panel is) to my garage 70ft away to charge the Tesla we were looking at.
After noting the $3k installation cost, the high cost of electricity in our area (highest in the nation), and Tesla's unwillingness to negotiate the MSRP, we realized the idea of saving money on electric cars is just an illusion.
After noting the $3k installation cost, the high cost of electricity in our area (highest in the nation), and Tesla's unwillingness to negotiate the MSRP, we realized the idea of saving money on electric cars is just an illusion.
