Alleged 2013 info from factory worker - confirm?

[digitalH2O]

Thermo, that's a good point. What works in one of the top-selling vehicles in the world might not be economical for a vehicle that sells like the Expy does. Good thinking.

Clydesdale, I've heard good things about the Durango, but I'm pretty soured on Dodge and Jeep vehicles both because for some reason that's all my company buys and from what I've seen between a Stratus, an Avenger, and two Liberties, those things are junk right off the assembly line. I've been stranded more than once in vehicles with less than 10k on the engines. I'll probably take another look in 5 - 10 years

 

[2000eb]

ok i like dodge trucks because they have the cummins...but when i was looking for an 06 megacab i couldnt believe how the interiors where already falling apart... i mean in the same spot on every truck then i looked at older 30-05 fords and chevy interiors and they all looked like all the stitching and what not was brand new. also edmunds did a couple reviews on the caravan i cant remember what year 08-10ish i got kids so i was lookin for the wife haha. but the initial tests where good but once they did an extended test the had problems left and right with the interior the paint on the knobs started rubbing off within a couple weeks cup holders etc started breaking the rear bumper got hot on a cross country trip and warped just enough so they had trouble opening up the rear hatch... when we where car shoping at dealers before we bought the expy our sales man had to go rescue a customer that just bought a dodge nitro i mean we watched the family switch all their belongings over while we where there i noticed cause their son was special needs and i was curious how his wheelchair would fit(i have 2 special needs kids 1 in a wheel chair) they where gone maybe 15 minutes before the thing broke down on the side of the road they came back pissed and wanted their old truck back. untill dodge can pick up the quality im sticking with ford

 

[2000eb]

as for engines have you seen ecoboost torture test or what about the 4cyl cummins thats being funded by departmant of energy and cummins read on it its not just for the titan they are using the titan because nissan offered it as a test truck. DOE is funding because it could verywell be a economical solution for the half ton market. alot is going to happen over the next few years i would hold out on sales and watch and see

 

[SourMashII]

Thermo, that's a good point. What works in one of the top-selling vehicles in the world might not be economical for a vehicle that sells like the Expy does. Good thinking.

Clydesdale, I've heard good things about the Durango, but I'm pretty soured on Dodge and Jeep vehicles both because for some reason that's all my company buys and from what I've seen between a Stratus, an Avenger, and two Liberties, those things are junk right off the assembly line. I've been stranded more than once in vehicles with less than 10k on the engines. I'll probably take another look in 5 - 10 years

Realizing I was going to work for Dodge, and "Selling is the transference of enthusiasm supported by conviction" I thought I was doomed.

Fiat has done for them, what Daimler Should have.. THis new stuff is pimp, FIt finish, mechanical aDVANTAGE... Yes we still own two FOrds, and I love driving both of them to death, but in about 4 years when the Child support drops significantly, she's getting a Citadel, unless a Used EL comes in on Trade for the right money.


The new Pentastar is within 20 hp of the Eco boost, NA.. the fit and finish... HAySuess this is nice stuff...

 

[2000eb]

i am actually curious how the interior will hold up now that its owned by fiat. clydesdale have you seen many newer models (since fiat has taken over) with alot of miles? how is the interior holding up. i just cant justify buying one of the 06 models with rips and peeling doorpanels and what not. my 2000 expedition is 6 years older and looks cleaner

 

[SourMashII]

Not yet. I have seen 180k 2006 and 2008 models, and thought that Mahindra might have made a better rig.

Go drive one, Longhorn Ram, then go drive a King Ranch, same tonnage.

You will walk away from the KR feeling robbed.

 

[Nathanialson 08]

Now as I work in rental cars and we only use GM Vehicles i'm not one bit impressed with Chevrolet at all their Silverado trucks, Suburbans & Tahoe's and Chevy Cruze are all I like from Gm the rest are junk, i'm a ford guy all the way no dodge and no chevy.

 

[ZombieSoldier]

Personally I would love to see the Ecoboost 6 in the expedition. I was reading motortrend I believe it was and in comparable trucks one with a 5.0 and one with the Ecoboost, the Ecoboost I believe was just a slight hair slower in acceleration but had better passing power, better fuel mileage and was smoother and quieter. Stone simple idea if you ask me. Would become a sales winner over the 'hoe triplets if you ask me.

 

[ChrisJ]

The ecoboost would be perfect for the Expi...The ecoboost is easily capable of handling the extra weight...If Ford ever decides to go the EB route in the expi we will be in line to buy one...

Also used car values are going up now as well since the new sales have shot down so much...

I found the window stick for our expi and it was damn near $60K...at 2 years old we gave a 1/3 of the price...

 

[GAINMOB]

can someone explain the ecoboost...

 

[ChrisJ]

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2012-ford-explorer-ecoboost-first-drive-review?redirect=no

That's the best explanation I can describe...

Its the same engine that pushed the Taurus sho into the low 12's in the 1320 and push the f150 as well...I am a huge fan of these setups...

Posted From A Cave In MD...

 

[Dib52]

can someone explain the ecoboost...

Short of going all technical, a V6 twin turbo pushing 365 hp and 420 lb ft torque all while achieving 20-22 mpg and having the capability of towing over 10k.

 

[Thermo]

Freeway, do you really want me to get into this? LMAO. In short, because of using a boosted V6 vice a V8, you gain some efficiency because of having less rotating mass. So, even a comparably sized V6 and V8, the V6 is going to do better in the mileage department. But, because you are using a smaller V6, this difference is even more dramatic.

Secondly, when cruising down the road, are you using all the motors potential? No, you are only keeping the truck at part throttle. In this state, the Ecoboost engine can back off the turbo and let the engine perform more as a V6 vice a boosted V6. less air, less fuel, better mileage.

Next, the Ecoboost engine is a direct injection engine. Like with older motors (even the 5.4L motor), the fuel is dumped into the intake, allowed to mix with the air before entering the cylinder. So, the only way to really regulate how much fuel that gets into the cylinder is to control how much air makes it into the cylinder. Good, but not great. with the direct injection, the gas is squirted directly into the engine. In addition, you can actually inject the gas at a controlled time to allow for higher cylinder pressures and a more complete burning of the fuel while in the cylinder. More efficient burning of the fuel, more force from the cylinder, more power from each cylinder, you can get more power out of the engine or use less fuel to get the same power.

The downside to this engine is the fuel system operates at a much higher pressure. I don't know the exact pressure of the ecoboost fuel system, but your truck has a fuel rail pressure of about 50 psi. The Ecoboost engine is probably up around 300 psi or so. Not a problem till you spring a leak. At 300 psi, the fuel is going to be sprayed with a finer mist, leading to a bigger, hotter flame. Mmmmm, BBQ'ed Ford. Not good. Granted, this is not quite as bad as the newer diesels with direct injection which have fuel system running up in the 26,000 psi range. But, that is something completely different.

 

[ZombieSoldier]

Freeway, do you really want me to get into this? LMAO. In short, because of using a boosted V6 vice a V8, you gain some efficiency because of having less rotating mass. So, even a comparably sized V6 and V8, the V6 is going to do better in the mileage department. But, because you are using a smaller V6, this difference is even more dramatic.

Secondly, when cruising down the road, are you using all the motors potential? No, you are only keeping the truck at part throttle. In this state, the Ecoboost engine can back off the turbo and let the engine perform more as a V6 vice a boosted V6. less air, less fuel, better mileage.

Next, the Ecoboost engine is a direct injection engine. Like with older motors (even the 5.4L motor), the fuel is dumped into the intake, allowed to mix with the air before entering the cylinder. So, the only way to really regulate how much fuel that gets into the cylinder is to control how much air makes it into the cylinder. Good, but not great. with the direct injection, the gas is squirted directly into the engine. In addition, you can actually inject the gas at a controlled time to allow for higher cylinder pressures and a more complete burning of the fuel while in the cylinder. More efficient burning of the fuel, more force from the cylinder, more power from each cylinder, you can get more power out of the engine or use less fuel to get the same power.

The downside to this engine is the fuel system operates at a much higher pressure. I don't know the exact pressure of the ecoboost fuel system, but your truck has a fuel rail pressure of about 50 psi. The Ecoboost engine is probably up around 300 psi or so. Not a problem till you spring a leak. At 300 psi, the fuel is going to be sprayed with a finer mist, leading to a bigger, hotter flame. Mmmmm, BBQ'ed Ford. Not good. Granted, this is not quite as bad as the newer diesels with direct injection which have fuel system running up in the 26,000 psi range. But, that is something completely different.

Your first statement is absolutely wrong. Just because it is a 6 cylinder vs a 8 cylinder does not equal better fuel mileage. In theory it uses less fuel but there are too many other contributions to it than that.

A 150hp v6 in a 7000 pound truck will have worst fuel mileage around town than a
350hp smallblock, given the same driver. You ask how right? Power to weight ratios. The 350hp smallblock is going to take a lot less fuel to get moving due to the power it makes. Does that smallblock have the potential to make horrible fuel mileage as well? Hell yeah.

Another example. Take the same 2 vehicles to my hometown. Schwenksville, Pennsylvania. The roads are hilly and twisty. Given that both vehichles are identicle, minus the motors, both being driven conservatively, the v8 will get better fuel mileage, due to the v6 makes less power meaning you will be on the throttle more often.

One less thought to ponder. In 2009/2010 I had a 1982 full size bronco. Withe the factory 302 it made 9mpg highway. It was pathetic. The reason for this was at highway speeds I had to keep the pedal on the floor to maintain highway speeds. I killed that motor, spin a bearing. So I decided to go balls to the wall and I built a mild 460... Cam, ported heads, intake, headers, 870cfm carb. It was a decent 400hp/500 torque motor. That motor in that same bronco, caused my fuel mileage to jump to 14 on the highway at 70mph. Why? Less power to make same weight move same speed equals less fuel going to need to be used.


Now with my little rant complete, the reason the Econoost would be great is a boosted v6 will act like a v8 with power but ********************footing around will net you great fuel mileage, due to allowing the turbos to do the work. Also at high altitudes, a boosted motor will make better fuel mileage and power than a the same sized naturally aspirated motor. Reason? Turbos compress air into the cylinders. Naturally aspirated has ro work with what's available, where turbos kinda add more to the equation. Make sense?

 

[Dib52]

Freeway, your head spinning yet? Simply put, a 3.5 EcoBoost is capable of competing and in most cases beat 6.0 NA.

 

[ZombieSoldier]

Lol

 

[Jeffintampa]

I wish they would make one with a 4.6 in it. You can only get the 5.4 in the new ones. I have a 4.6 in my 02 and other than a miss fire its been a good motor, I have a 4.6 in my lincoln Mark 8 and both have over 160,000 on them and run pretty good and the miliage is not that bad

 

[dj2big]

Sales figures for big SUV have been in the double digits monthly so I really don't see any major investment in design. I do however think that sales would sky rocket on them if they wait 2 more years and give it a major redesign because by then it would be strongly needed so I'm thinking 2015 it would have to be based off the f150 of course with some part sharing to reduce cost


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[dj2big]

Btw Eco Boost engines are not giving great mpg once the trucks are loaded or pulling


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[Thermo]

Keep in mind that if Ford puts the Ecoboost engine into the Expedition, they have to pass it through the DOT, get it approved, then pass it through the EPA to get numbers for mileage and, ....... that all costs money. If I remember the number right, it is in the neighborhood of $1,000,000. So, even if you assume that you can sell 5,000 of the trucks with the ecoboost engine in the first year, you are still adding an additional $200 to each truck plus the cost of the new engine. With the Ecoboost engine running an additional $2100 (MSRP) above the base 3.7L V6, you are now looking at $2300, if not slightly more due to possible demand. There are people that will decide that it is too much for that "simple" of an upgrade.

It all comes down to economics.