Expy is in the shop, been driving a rental Suburban...

[NyackRob79]

... and I've gotta say, the trunk is HUGE compared to my Expedition MAX.

I've logged about 7k miles on our family's Expedition MAX, which has been in the shop for the past week to have a fender-bender repaired. In the meantime, Geico gave me a Suburban as a rental.

I haul a family of six, and comparing the trunk size behind third row, Suburban clocks in at roughly 40 cubic feet, compared to Expy Max's 36. I didn't think four extra cubic feet would make that much of a difference, but in the Suburban, I can throw in the kids' wagon and still have enough space left to stop at Costco. With our Expy MAX, I'm usually forced to put bags by the feet of 2nd row passengers.

I do wonder why Ford didn't make the Expy MAX 3" longer, which would give it that extra storage. After all, MAX buyers are in it for the extra cargo volume.

However, I do appreciate that Expy's 3rd row is very generous with space, compared to the Suburban, which features upright 3rd row backrests that are about as comfortable as the benches at your local church, not to mention that they do not recline, nor do the 2nd row seats move fore/aft. The truck is dated, no doubt, and I'm very happy with my Expy, but the trunk on the MAX is eclipsed by the Suburban.

 

[Patsfan4lif]

Y’all do an awful lot of complaining on this forum about 4th gens

 

[dlcorbett]

I dont think this is a complaint...he def said his truck was the better option.

 

[1955moose]

The problem is their too new mechanically, so yes they do nit pick in some cases. Life is full of compromises, and no vehicle or living situation is ever perfect. Even wealthy folks that have 5 plus bedroom houses complain about something. They brag and say Bill and I are remodeling, and enlarging our living room, or whatever. Too bad you couldn't do the same with building a vehicle. Problem is one off parts would mean destroying the vehicle if anything went South, like an accident. Or you had a special motor. Would be the ultimate way to get what you want though. Prices would be $125,000 on up.

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[gtnator]

In less than a year the Suburban will be redesigned with an independent rear suspension, giving it more leg room in the third row. And it’ll still have that huge cargo space. That will be real competition for the Expy and we’ll see what happens. But for now, Expy wins.


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[dlcorbett]

Though it has a bigger cargo bay, it doesnt negate what the suburban doesnt get right. The new tahoe spy pics looks like they lengthened the back end to give it more space in the rear. Gm still got a lotta wrk to do to make the tahoe as practical as the expy. If the new gms(specifically chevy) looks like the silverado, they dropped the ball, itll be ugly. But admittedly, the sierra denali(and only denali) looks amazin.

 

[JExpedition07]

I prefer the solid rear on suburban, I’ve heard it’s going away.

 

[dlcorbett]

It is, but i hear they may keep the sla for certain trims. Im surprised you do, considerin your truck has irs, the sla does nothing different from an irs. Technology has been closed this gap, and going off what the europeans and japanese are doing with their utilities, far exceed it.

 

[RenegadeBad_Dog]

... and I've gotta say, the trunk is HUGE compared to my Expedition MAX.

I've logged about 7k miles on our family's Expedition MAX, which has been in the shop for the past week to have a fender-bender repaired. In the meantime, Geico gave me a Suburban as a rental.

I haul a family of six, and comparing the trunk size behind third row, Suburban clocks in at roughly 40 cubic feet, compared to Expy Max's 36. I didn't think four extra cubic feet would make that much of a difference, but in the Suburban, I can throw in the kids' wagon and still have enough space left to stop at Costco. With our Expy MAX, I'm usually forced to put bags by the feet of 2nd row passengers.

I do wonder why Ford didn't make the Expy MAX 3" longer, which would give it that extra storage. After all, MAX buyers are in it for the extra cargo volume.

However, I do appreciate that Expy's 3rd row is very generous with space, compared to the Suburban, which features upright 3rd row backrests that are about as comfortable as the benches at your local church, not to mention that they do not recline, nor do the 2nd row seats move fore/aft. The truck is dated, no doubt, and I'm very happy with my Expy, but the trunk on the MAX is eclipsed by the Suburban.

Yeah the suburban is do for a refresh soon I think 2020 or so. I am surprised though that ford didn't make the expedition max larger.

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[dlcorbett]

The max is already big and the same length as the el. Is the cargo bay that small?

 

[1955moose]

Independent rear suspension isn't as good for off roading, but that being said, you don't want a solid axle on a top heavy vehicle like the Chevy, or our Fords. Having to make an emergency swing to another lane when you can't stop, and it's wet, then you hit a dry spot, and you'll pray for that independent suspension. I owned a 56 Volkswagen with a swing axle/ non independent, and had that scenario, that almost flipped me and my 2 friends over. My 2000 is solid, but wish it was independent. Like disc vs drum brakes, no comparison.

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[JExpedition07]

In that maneuver my IRS is no safer than your solid axle. Your solid rear axle will perform much better off road and last a lot longer than half shafts with CV joints. The only advantage mine has is the roll stability control, and even then Fords built in computer nanny can only do so much. I’d trade my IRS for solid in a second.

 

[aporthole]

The Expedtion has an extra 5” of front to back space in the 3rd row behind the 2nd row seats compared to the Suburban. That plus the full depth floor makes it SO much more comfortable for adults/teens to sit back there. The Expy is a better people hauler. The Suburban is a better cargo hauler.

 

[dlcorbett]

I dont go off roadi g or tow, but for that matter i dont see the advantages of the solid axle over the irs or vice versa. To me its all the engineeringg and packaging of the componrnts and tuning of the springs and dampers. I would agree with the reliability if the expy wasnt already names one of the most reliable cars in all autodom, and most of its run it had an if/rs.

 

[JExpedition07]

I dont go off roadi g or tow, but for that matter i dont see the advantages of the solid axle over the irs or vice versa. To me its all the engineeringg and packaging of the componrnts and tuning of the springs and dampers. I would agree with the reliability if the expy wasnt already names one of the most reliable cars in all autodom, and most of its run it had an if/rs.

IRS has more points of failure over time and hangs lower than the solid rear. This substantially hinders off road performance. You are correct expy has earned high reliability in studies and even was in the top 10 longest lasting vehicles USA. This id say is more attributed to the powertrain/drivetrain than what suspension its had. Plus the expy historically has been the simpler “value leader” of the bunch (less bells and whistles). Many of those solid rear 1st gens contributed to these studies as well as the IRS 2nd and 3rd gens. Agree to disagree I guess, both have pluses and minuses. I won’t deny the IRS handles well.

 

[Habbibie]

Y’all do an awful lot of complaining on this forum about 4th gens

This is by far the most honest statement anyone on this ever said!

 

[Patsfan4lif]

This is by far the most honest statement anyone on this ever said!

Hey man I’m just looking at the 4th gen threads and literally 75% of them are complaining about something lol

 

[shane_th_ee]

Independent suspensions have their advantages off-road: namely far better articulation. The trick is that it’s more expensive and heavier if you’re going to make it as durable as the solid rear axle.

 

[1955moose]

Guess I touched a nerve heh. True 4 wheel drive vehicles? They do ok, but I'd build in a roll bar unless you feel lucky. I grew up with Yamaha dirt bikes, and tossed mine down a gulley or 2. Couldn't imagine the pain with 6,000 pounds versus 240, going floppy de floppy for 75 feet or more

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[Habbibie]

Hey man I’m just looking at the 4th gen threads and literally 75% of them are complaining about something lol

More like 95% to be honest