EXPY Tunes

[JExpedition07]

Here is a another video on gen 1, still shows tuning results with a race between stock and tuned.


Here is a reg cab 5.0 vid

 

[Mike Wolfe]

One more item to consider that I left out, all that equipment used to harvest the plant, including those that may apply nutrients on occasion during the growth cycle, and then of course the other vehicles used to transport the plant matter to the refineries, almost certainly use petroleum based fuels, so that in addition to the transportation from the refineries to the retailers, further casts a shadow on the "zero" of carbon footprint of ethanol or any biofuel.

Ok
I can accept your consensus of the fossil fuels consumed when growing & transporting these fuels
But when the biofuels are oxidized the carbon released has an equal amount consumed by the growing plants
The transportation & refining of fossil fuels releases co2 as well
While it is hard to find what the fossil fuels industry releases on carbon to get it from the well to the pump the carbon released when oxidizing these fuels stays in the atmosphere for the most part
That is my point

 

[Blackscreen67]

Ok
I can accept your consensus of the fossil fuels consumed when growing & transporting these fuels
But when the biofuels are oxidized the carbon released has an equal amount consumed by the growing plants
The transportation & refining of fossil fuels releases co2 as well
While it is hard to find what the fossil fuels industry releases on carbon to get it from the well to the pump the carbon released when oxidizing these fuels stays in the atmosphere for the most part
That is my point

Just like a Tesla has a zero emission, yet a single battery for one has more of a carbon footprint than an average commuter car will over the course of 10yrs.

 

[Mike Wolfe]

I guess we will agree to disagree on fossil fuels
I am originally from the midwest (IOWA) & personally like the fact that I could get 108 octane ethanol for about 70% of the price of 91 octane e10 fuel
Nobody ever explains that the fossil fuels industry get a bunch of subsidies also
I am not a 100% fossil fuels fan
If someone could offer me 108 octane fossil fuel with a lower carbon content, that I could use in my current vehicle with out fuel system upgrades & sell it for the same price or less than 91 octane fuel, I would be in favor of it.
Really like the comparison video
Much like what I have experienced
Really like my 5 star calibration
Wish they had blend pumps in Arizona like they do in Iowa
While the fuel systems on the gen II ecoboost engines do not have adequate fuel flow to run E85, I would love to try say E30 which should equate to about 96-98 octane fuel & have 5 star send me a calibration to support that octane

As someone mentioned above the topic always go somewhere I had not intended
Really wish we could stick to the subject at hand & if someone wants to air there concerns about an alternate subject do it in another more appropriate thread

 

[JohnT]

Just reading this https://www.f150ecoboost.net/forum/...ance/74060-boostking-s-oem-turbo-project.html

 

[Mike Wolfe]

Just reading this https://www.f150ecoboost.net/forum/...ance/74060-boostking-s-oem-turbo-project.html

Thanks for sharing this link
Interesting data there
Shows an 18% drivetrain loss as what he has experienced
Correctly points out that bolt on's will not help at all without a PCM recalibration to take advantage of them
Shows that you can easily get tremendous increases in power with just a calibration
Got 390 wheel hp or 475 CS hp before the turbo upgrade
Got 511 lb ft of wheel torque or 623 lb ft of CS torque
Pretty impressive
WOO HOO

 

[Blackscreen67]

Thanks for sharing this link
Interesting data there
Shows an 18% drivetrain loss as what he has experienced
Correctly points out that bolt on's will not help at all without a PCM recalibration to take advantage of them
Shows that you can easily get tremendous increases in power with just a calibration
Got 390 wheel hp or 475 CS hp before the turbo upgrade
Got 511 lb ft of wheel torque or 623 lb ft of CS torque
Pretty impressive
WOO HOO

We know the tuning blows.

It' very important to point out he also states the high pressure fuel pump is also smaller and struggles compared to the gen 1 motors.

This explains the low end factory defueling.

 

[Mike Wolfe]

He is working on a gen one unit
nothing I can find in his text states anything about the GEN II Eco Boost having a smaller HPFP

 

[houseofdiesel]

I guess we will agree to disagree on fossil fuels
I am originally from the midwest (IOWA) & personally like the fact that I could get 108 octane ethanol for about 70% of the price of 91 octane e10 fuel
Nobody ever explains that the fossil fuels industry get a bunch of subsidies also
I am not a 100% fossil fuels fan
If someone could offer me 108 octane fossil fuel with a lower carbon content, that I could use in my current vehicle with out fuel system upgrades & sell it for the same price or less than 91 octane fuel, I would be in favor of it.

As someone mentioned above the topic always go somewhere I had not intended
Really wish we could stick to the subject at hand & if someone wants to air there concerns about an alternate subject do it in another more appropriate thread

Fossil Fuels gets tax breaks because 100% of America depends on oil. Everything man made uses oil. Oh and the fact that the most efficient cycle is the diesel cycle, hence making all of our products and services most affordable. If we have empty crop fields or deserts to grow algae or grow corn just for energy sources cool. But if Agra Corps are using ethanol based fuels to drive up their corn prices, then that is bad for the poor and middle class consumers. In the end when every last drop of oil is drained from the Earth we will have to find other sources of fuel. In the end we will all be long dead by then. Oh and there are far more sources of Carbon being produced than our vehicles so run whatever, cause your not effecting anything. There are plenty of sources on the Internet for totals produced broken down a thousand different ways. Keep in mind they are all generated by humans and vulnerable to whichever way their bias and ideology swings. Todays vehicles fully tuned are producing a decibel of what they did in the 90's and better than the air we were breathing in the 70's straight out of the tail pipe. Keep in mind that the measures used in the 60's and 70's was Parts Per Thousand or Million and we are now being regulated at Parts Per Billion. Our regulations are now more to Control the Means of Production than to save people's lives or the planet.

 

[Garrett]

Has anyone else done this? Thinking about going with the 89/91 performance/tow tune, as that one keeps the smooth shifting.

What other mods have people done besides the auto start/stop?

 

[Mike Wolfe]

All the calibrations 5 star offers adjust the transmission to match the increased engine torque
I used the 93 octane performance/tow calibration & the transmission matched the increased engine output very well

 

[Mike Wolfe]

Fossil Fuels gets tax breaks because 100% of America depends on oil. Everything man made uses oil. Oh and the fact that the most efficient cycle is the diesel cycle, hence making all of our products and services most affordable. If we have empty crop fields or deserts to grow algae or grow corn just for energy sources cool. But if Agra Corps are using ethanol based fuels to drive up their corn prices, then that is bad for the poor and middle class consumers. In the end when every last drop of oil is drained from the Earth we will have to find other sources of fuel. In the end we will all be long dead by then. Oh and there are far more sources of Carbon being produced than our vehicles so run whatever, cause your not effecting anything. There are plenty of sources on the Internet for totals produced broken down a thousand different ways. Keep in mind they are all generated by humans and vulnerable to whichever way their bias and ideology swings. Todays vehicles fully tuned are producing a decibel of what they did in the 90's and better than the air we were breathing in the 70's straight out of the tail pipe. Keep in mind that the measures used in the 60's and 70's was Parts Per Thousand or Million and we are now being regulated at Parts Per Billion. Our regulations are now more to Control the Means of Production than to save people's lives or the planet.

You are welcome welcome to your opinion
If their was an (AFFORDABLE) fossil fuel with the same characteristics as ethanol (108 octane with extra combustion chamber cooling) so I could get over 50% more torque from the same size engine then I would consider that as well.
I personally think 87 octane is CRAP fuel
91 octane is barely acceptable & should be at least $1.00 cheaper than it is
BP & Others like EXON make billions off of our backs & personally I think that is price GOUGING.
If powertrain engineers could design engines to run exclusively on 108 octane ethanol, power density would nearly double
Nascar & Formula racing use ethanol due to the increased power they can get from it
BTW corn prices are not doubled due to ethanol demand (that is fake news)
The mash that is left from ethanol production makes better livestock feed than raw corn
Right now corn is down to $3.68 a bushel which is about the break even point ($3.50) for farmers
The reason prices are so low is because there is a surplus of corn
Should be about $4.50 a bushel for farmers to make a reasonable profit
That sir is factual & I am from Iowa where most of my family farms
I hear from them all the time
So lets stop this now & go on to covering what this thread is really about ( the aspects of recalibrating your 2018 EXPY PCM)

 

[Garrett]

All the calibrations 5 star offers adjust the transmission to match the increased engine torque
I used the 93 octane performance/tow calibration & the transmission matched the increased engine output very well

Yes but you must put in 93 gas.

 

[Mike Wolfe]

I use 91 octane with 93 octane calibrations
Have always done so in the 5 ECO Boost vehicles I have owned (all tuned)
When cool it will run better than 91 octane calibration
When hot knock sensors will retard timing appropriately so no issues
I am retired automotive engineer so I know there will be no issues doing so

 

[Garrett]

I use 91 octane with 93 octane calibrations
Have always done so in the 5 ECO Boost vehicles I have owned (all tuned)
When cool it will run better than 91 octane calibration
When hot knock sensors will retard timing appropriately so no issues
I am retired automotive engineer so I know there will be no issues doing so

Can you do the same with 91 tune and 89 fuel?

 

[Garrett]

@Mike Wolfe 5Stqr told me it’s a big no no to mix the tune with different octane fuel

 

[Jarrold Harrell]

I just ordered the 5 Star tunes, so hopefully my results will be great as well. Will post on this thread instead of starting my own.

 

[Jarrold Harrell]

Did the stock tune read today, but there was no expedition option in the menu. I had to choose the F-150. OP, did you have to do the same?

 

[Mike Wolfe]

Did the stock tune read today, but there was no expedition option in the menu. I had to choose the F-150. OP, did you have to do the same?

Yes I used F150 as well
You should probably do whatever you are comfortable with I have always used the 93 octane tunes
when the air is cool you can get more power & if necessary the knock sensors can retard the timing to avoid detonation
However I am a retired engineer & am not at all concerned using the 93 octane calibration with 91 octane fuel
However if you have are not experienced with PCM calibrations it would be best to follow 5 stars recommendations
Do not want anyone to have a less than favorable experience

 

[Blackscreen67]

Yes I used F150 as well
You should probably do whatever you are comfortable with I have always used the 93 octane tunes
when the air is cool you can get more power & if necessary the knock sensors can retard the timing to avoid detonation
However I am a retired engineer & am not at all concerned using the 93 octane calibration with 91 octane fuel
However if you have are not experienced with PCM calibrations it would be best to follow 5 stars recommendations
Do not want anyone to have a less than favorable experience

I like you Mike, but I do have to say.....

What is it you do again?













Kidding! I need more fingers to keep up with the engineer reference. Here in Texas we refer to majority of engineers as obstacles lol. In all seriousness though, y'all tend to be good at getting in the way of progress.

Redneck engineering for the win!