Hybrids for the wxpy and navi are confirmed, but no model year
Hybrids Confirmed
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fordperfaddict
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must be for the 25 redesign
My 2022 Expedition will be my last vehicle unless it gets totaled in a wreck. A friend of my wife bought a Jeep hybrid in Tampa this past weekend. Has a range of 25 miles on battery power. She paid a lot more money for the hybrid. There went a lot of extra money down the toilet. I just don’t understand these people buying these vehicles. I guess Im to old 69 to understand this generation No matter how I try.
JasonH
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The idea behind a plug-in hybrid is that for some people, they can do most, if not all, of their daily driving on electric only and still retain adequate range for longer trips. The fuel savings can be substantial, as it is much cheaper to drive electric vs gas. For comparison, my electricity rate per kWh is similar to the cost for a gallon of gas. But my electric cars (I-Pace and Focus Electric) get the gas equivalent of 85 mpg and 100 mpg. Both cars are charged at home. I haven't done any service to the Focus apart from tires in 50,000 miles of driving. There are also tax credits for going electric. The more you drive, the more you save. But as with anything, YMMV. Consumers gets to choose what works best for them.
JasonH
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You sir, have a super human bladder.
balthisar
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I'd take an Expedition energi. I'd appreciate a bit more than 25 miles of electric range, though. If it's as fast as my Mach E, that would be almost criminal. Something that big shouldn't be so fast! But I hope it will be.
As I get closer to retirement, it would be nice to get closer to having one car, and a Mach E can never be an only-car, whereas an PHEV Expedition could be.
As I get closer to retirement, it would be nice to get closer to having one car, and a Mach E can never be an only-car, whereas an PHEV Expedition could be.
JasonH
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Eventually, we'll see more PHEVs on offer in this vehicle segment. Just need the prices of the batteries to come down. The Ram Charger is a first shot across the bow. I'm sure Ford and GM will respond, especially since demand for full electric half-tons isn't growing the way they anticipated.
CDNRabbit
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Would also like a PHEV Expy to save on fuel so long as I don't have to sacrifice on towing capacity.
SunnySunshine
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Living in California, I find it much easier and faster to find some random farmer's field when nature calls.
I don't completely get the hybrid trend (I'm in my late 20s), but on those F-150s that hybrid 7.2kW ProPower on board is really awesome if you camp off grid a lot.
JasonH
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More power, better mpg, and silent running at low speeds. What's not to like? PHEV with 30+ mile range on electric can cover over 90% percent of driving for some people and running on electric is a fraction of gas when charging at home. Electric driving is over 3X more efficient, plus you retain all the capability of a non-hybrid. And, as you noted, for those of us with campers we can run them off the truck...no portable generator needed.Living in California, I find it much easier and faster to find some random farmer's field when nature calls.
I don't completely get the hybrid trend (I'm in my late 20s), but on those F-150s that hybrid 7.2kW ProPower on board is really awesome if you camp off grid a lot.
JExpedition07
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Hoping they expand it. Many of us on the F-150 14th gen forum have been begging Ford to make a hybrid version on the 5.0 V8 but they don’t seem to want to. It would be the perfect towing machine. The 5.0 is great on gas when towing, and the electric supplementation would add sufficient low end grunt to stay in lower gears and utilize the cylinder deactivation at low loads. I get that they are proud of their 3.5 EcoBoost, but even many current 3.5 PowerBoost owners have joined the call for a hybrid version of the V8 since the lower AFR’s are very attractive on the N/A engine. Fingers crossed they expand the hybrids to other configurations.
The PowerBoost is a great platform, cool to see the Expedition will have it as an option. The 3.5 EB and hybrid pair well together, and the utility of the inverter is huge.
The PowerBoost is a great platform, cool to see the Expedition will have it as an option. The 3.5 EB and hybrid pair well together, and the utility of the inverter is huge.
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mlogan
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I’d be all in if they made an Expedition like the 2025 Ramcharger with 140 mile battery range and an ICE generator for road trips/towing. A BEV is not going to be reasonable for cross country TT towing on family road trips.
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I like what stellantis did with the ram charger too. I'm sure the wagoneer will get it on its mcr. A hybrid rid woth 26+ mpg and a better interior and air ride option will give me there business but the ram charger/new ram is by second option honestly, I love what they did to the exterior
JasonH
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I'm curious to see what the Ramcharger is going to cost. I would be surprised if it was any less than 80K for a Limited. If it works as advertised, the series hybrid powertrain would be an awesome addition to the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer. It's like having your cake and eating it to. Seating for 8, all daily driving on electric, and road trips on electric + gas.
cullinan18
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I would love the PHEV. I do a lot of local driving for work, but also tow, go cross country, and off road in my Expy. The PHEV would help to continue having an Expy as my 1-vehicle does it all. (This completely ignores how high the prices have climbed since I bought my 2017....)
I traded a 2021 RAV4 prime PHEV for my 23 Expy Max (needed a tow vehicle). On the Toyota hybrid system, fully charged gave anywhere from 40-50 miles of EV range. The EV motor also acted as a boost for the ICE 4 cylinder to equal 302 HP. Bat-out-of-hell for quick acceleration even at highway speeds. The system always maintained a 10% reserve for boost when summoned at the pedal.
My experience with the PHEV is that for local daily use, I visited the gas pump maybe one every 4-6 weeks and only filled more frequently on long distance trips during which I relied pretty much fully on gas, as charging at Level 2 charging stations was slow and therefore impractical.
If Ford can marry similar capacities and capabilities into a PHEV Expedition, with perhaps the ability to uses both fast charge level 1 (Tesla compatible?) and home based level 2 charging, there is no reason why the cargo and tow capacity cannot equal or exceed the current configurations of power and range.
For those who remain skeptical of the capabilities of electric powered motor vehicles, such motors have been powering giant industrial processes, military submarines and heavy construction equipment for decades.
My experience with the PHEV is that for local daily use, I visited the gas pump maybe one every 4-6 weeks and only filled more frequently on long distance trips during which I relied pretty much fully on gas, as charging at Level 2 charging stations was slow and therefore impractical.
If Ford can marry similar capacities and capabilities into a PHEV Expedition, with perhaps the ability to uses both fast charge level 1 (Tesla compatible?) and home based level 2 charging, there is no reason why the cargo and tow capacity cannot equal or exceed the current configurations of power and range.
For those who remain skeptical of the capabilities of electric powered motor vehicles, such motors have been powering giant industrial processes, military submarines and heavy construction equipment for decades.
Deadman
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My neighbor traded his 2022 F150 with 3.5 Ecoboost in for a 2023 Hybrid Ecoboost (powerboost). He just ordered a brand new 2024 F150 with standard Ecoboost because he said he absolutely would never recoup his initial investment on the added cost of the Powerboost. He said is got 1 MPG better in the summer, and a couple MPG WORSE in the summer, so there was absolutely no fuel savings for him. He said when it gets to like 20 mph it kicks the electric over to gas, so you can't ever really use the electric part much. He drives all highway miles in Northern, WI, so in this condition its absolutely not worth it. Plus WI has an additional license fee to pay annually for the Hybrid, so that's also lost. he said it had more power on demand if you hammered it, but he wasn't impressed enough to pay for that again.
His 2024 still hasn't arrived yet....
His 2024 still hasn't arrived yet....
JasonH
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Most of the hybrid benefit is attained in local stop and go driving, because the electric motor can get the vehicle up to speed while the ICE engine stays off or near idle to maintain coasting speeds, and can be powered down when decelerating. On the highway where you're traveling at higher, steady speeds, the electric motor won't provide much of a benefit. There's no regen and the battery is too small to provide motive energy. The other advantage of the PowerBoost is acting as a generator for camping, house backup, etc.
As battery prices decrease and energy density improves, Ford will be able to add a PHEV option, where local driving and part of distance driving can be done on pure electric. The question is what premium Ford will need to charge to recoup on the additional parts. All new tech starts out as expensive. With the increased focus on electrification, I think decreases in battery prices will accelerate due to increased scale and improved technology.
