Interior noise from exhaust

[Trainmaster]

No, Mr. Sticker, this isn't a debate about Mr. Trump here. The ANC and fake engine noise is, from what I read, quite a real part of these Ecoboost cars and trucks. The noise cancelling is one thing, but it certainly appears that additional lower frequency sounds are added "to the experience" to enhance what the customer expects to hear.

Research some of the ANC or Fake Engine Noise in reference to Mustangs and you'll read more about this "high performance sound". The degree to which the Expedition's male enhancement is enriched vs the F-150 or Mustang is questionable. I don't know if they are all the same or if different car lines have different levels of the added noise.

The only way to find out for sure is to disable the stuff in an Expedition and listen to how it behaves. I would certainly try it, but I don't have an Econoboost. You don't either, so it may be awhile before we know for certain.

You can believe this or not; I have no first hand knowledge myself. But I've read enough though credible sources to be convinced that there is some "performance enhancing sound" added to these cabins.

While we may be miles apart on politics, Mr. Sticker, I have nothing but respect for you, your views and your automotive logic. Nothing derogatory intended at all my upstate friend.

Consider this article. Though six years old, it shows that Ford juices the Ecoboost sound:

Ford retains V8 engine roar in 2015 F-150 V6 using a bit of audio wizardry and the truck’s speakers

Though Ford engineers actually figured out a way to get V8 power out of the EcoBoost V6 engine in the 2015 F-150, what they weren’t able to figure out was how to make a V6 produce sound like a V8. Knowing that certain customers might miss that rumble and roar, Ford engineers came up with a...

www.equipmentworld.com

 

[sctom1]

Sorry guys, I did not mean to start a skirmish. I just want a quiet car inside when I want it quiet. I read of this several times after I noticed what seemed like an odd sounding exhaust while test driving a few Expys, including the platinum level. After all day behind the wheel trying to not hear road noise, tire noise, wind noise is tiring and prefer not to add more to the discomfort. Short trips are no issue. But this should not be happening on a freeway cruiser. Ford’s flagship vehicle should be very comfortable, and this should be able to be switched off, imho.

 

[Trainmaster]

One of the links I posted shows how to add a switch for turning it off. You can also disable it with Forscan programming. Then you can judge if the "droning" some complain about is enhanced by the fake noise.

 

[aggiegrad05]

MrDuck

So to begin with you have 2 references from home hobbyists who "think they know what they are doing". Unlikely they do and if you read the entire posts its fairly obvious they dont. So you are propagating disinformation. In the echo chamber, the more times you hear the same thing... the more "it must be true, since I've heard it so many times".

The other reference is ANC. Active Noise Cancellation. Do you know the difference between ANC & fake created engine noise? World of difference. Even in the other posts, the pinout is labelled ANC. Fake News.

Besides - THIS IS A FORD EXPEDITION FORUM and you're propagating the urban myth about Ford F-150's. Go to a Ford Pickup Forum and post that, not here would be my suggestion. Not that you care much about my suggestions.

Good grief...who went teetee in your cheerios? Calm down, we're all friends here.

Amplified engine sounds are not something manufacturers like to crow about; "our engine sounds like crap so we had to whip up some sorcery to make it sound better". But, as many including yourself have noted, many manufacturers do it.

As far as confirmation that it's on the Expi, let's start with this quote from a Ford Engineer:

Autoblog spoke with Ford engineer Shawn Carney who confirmed that only the turbocharged four-cylinder Mustang comes with this system, called Active Noise Control.
In fact, Carney is partially responsible for tuning and shaping the EcoBoost's note in the Mustang, and he said the setup serves two distinct functions. First, it cancels out some of the coarse noise as part of the 'Stang's refinement strategy.
It also allows Ford to enhance things by "layering in certain sound characteristics on top of what's already there," he said. To determine the right mix, the engine processor monitors torque output and changes things accordingly. "The intent is to be a natural experience," said Carney.

So a Ford engineer is introducing us to "Active Noise Control", albeit in regards to the 2015 Mustang in that context.

Then we'll move on to this quote from Dave Periciak, Chief Mustang Engineer (again, regarding that same mustang):

With the Ecoboost engine we have both active noise cancellation, and we also amplify the existing engine sound order. We don't create an artificial sound, we don't pluck one off the shelf, we bring in the real sound, process it, and play it through the car's speakers. Today's V6 sounds fantastic, and although the Ecoboost won't sound like a V8, it won't sound like it doesn't belong in a Mustang either.

So now we have an engineer confirming the Mustang has Active Noise Control, which allows them to amplify the engine noise, and the Mustang Chief Engineer confirming they absolutely amplify the engine noise.

And finally, let's go to the Expedition page on Ford's website: If you head to the "Models and Specs" portion of that page, tootle down to the "Interior Features" section, and look at the last entry, you'll see it says "Enhanced Active Noise Control".

Is it on all trim levels? I think so, but I can't confirm it. Is it on the Platinum trim? Sure is. Do I care if you believe it? Absolutely not. Whether or not you believe it is akin to whether or not you believe the Earth is round...your opinion doesn't change the truth of the thing.

I'm glad you are a member here to spur discussion, but we can all try to be nice when we're doing it. We're all just here to learn more about our vehicles. Have a coke and a smile.

 

[Plati]

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[Fastcar]

Talk about handling the truth. lol

 

[sctom1]

i heard the sound coming from the back inside, not much middle and none in the front and did not sound like it was coming from out of the exhaust pipe. It just seemed odd at the low RPMs I was cruising at. Perhaps setting the speakers to only front may be a quick test? Or maybe not..

 

[armoredsaint]

Some people pay good money to hear that exhaust, lol

 

[Trainmaster]

Wow. I'm usually only beaten up for telling the truth by my wife.

Thank you aggiegrad. I'm working on being nice to the deniers of fact. Lot's of them these days it seems.

If you wire a set of headphones to the radio output, you should hear the FAKE ENGINE NOISE.

 

[Fastcar]

Wow. I'm usually only beaten up for telling the truth by my wife.

Thank you aggiegrad. I'm working on being nice to the deniers of fact. Lot's of them these days it seems.

If you wire a set of headphones to the radio output, you should hear the FAKE ENGINE NOISE.

There is no disagreeing with some. You must remember they have years of experience and tons of knowledge. They are easily identifiable by their condescending replies that are mostly based on opinion and not practical application. Heck I would venture that most of these self important "experts" are unable to drive anything with a 4 speed. Sorry I should clarify, manual transmission. lol

 

[Plati]

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[Fastcar]

I'll be the first (& have been) to admit I'm incorrect. You guys are havin fun with this, thats great I'm all for havin fun! But seriously ... you really seem to believe that in an EcoBoost Expy "fake engine noise" or "sounds like a V8 engine" are played through the speakers"? I do my homework and all I've ever seen is that has been done in a Mustang, not an Expy. You obviously can believe what you want but I'm still waiting to see that documented somewhere. Of course you can't provide that. Aggie tried but only found something for a Mustang. So, stating this as fact ... is Fake Noise. Isn't it? I must be missing something here (what if I might ask) but not real worried about it. And I dont expect any type of factual response either , but if you really want to keep this alive that is waay weird too.

Much quieter on the inside not fake V8 engine noise in an Expy
(and I think it's just Plati's too).

https://www.futurecar.com/3896/Ford-Motor-Co-is-Working-to-Make-Vehicles-Much-Quieter-on-the-Inside

By the way MrFastTimesAtRidgemontHigh ... I was driving a 4 speed 67 Mustang about 25 years before you were born, along with my dozen motorcycles and whatever else you never experienced.

I'll admit one thing. I did patent infringement for many years and it warped my mind. You can't just make a claim of fact without having some data or documentation to back it up. You have to be able to show that is is fact or they send you away to continue looking for something to back it up.

Well Skippy, you have proven one thing. If the shoe fits ya got to wear it, on you it appears to be a perfect fit.
Now run along and stop embarrassing yourself, folks are laughing at you. My last.

 

[StephenPT]

Around the 5min mark in this video the TFL guys talk about the augmented engine noise of the eco boost in the Expedition. Sitting behind them is an executive from Ford. The Ford employee doesn’t deny it and basically just rolls his eyes. https://youtu.be/zK-B7V25heg

 

[Nate2020KR]

I found what I thought was the fake engine noise in Forscan and disabled it. It sounds exactly the same. So I believe that it doesn't exist in our Expedition.

 

[Plati]

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[DWs-TTEB]

 

[Trainmaster]

The Ford employee doesn’t deny it and basically just rolls his eyes.

You're obviously letting facts cloud the issue.

 

[Fastcar]

The only shoe I can detect is the one deeply stuck in your mouth MrLoser.
Maybe if you had graduated High School you would have learned to think better.
Ha! Now what stupid comment do you have to have your Mommy type for you?

I know in my last post I said it would be my last but... you've managed to hang 3 different names on me all from a post that was a reply to another individual that you decided to insert your self into.
So to start I'll be polite. You seem to have a thing regarding my age. I'll answer it this way in doing so giving you more info than you deserve. At the time your 67 stang was being made I was getting out of a military hospital after a year due being in the wrong place at the wrong time while in VN. You can do the math from there regarding age. You also made some foolish remark regarding my education. Perhaps I have a degree in proctology, of course that's it, how else could I deal with you. You have a choice, continue this foolishness and embarrass yourself some more or let it go. Up to you, as you jumped in. As for me, it's raining the surf is going to build so there won't be much surf fishing to do here for a few days and I can devote a bit of time to your foolishness. Think about it for a bit.

 

[aggiegrad05]

i heard the sound coming from the back inside, not much middle and none in the front and did not sound like it was coming from out of the exhaust pipe. It just seemed odd at the low RPMs I was cruising at. Perhaps setting the speakers to only front may be a quick test? Or maybe not..

I have always heard my engine noise more from the rear than anywhere else (especially the turbo). I know that makes absolutely no sense, but I have always chalked it up to good sound deadening (the platinum has more than the other trims) and the fake engine noise pumped through the cabin.

 

[Tuck]

Just FYI, 3.5L Raptors have the fake engine noise piped in through the speaker (I had one) and I'm pretty sure all the F-150 equipped with the 3.5L (possibly other ecoboost engine models also). You could turn it off with the Forscan tool. I didn't have the tool and didn't want to take it to the dealer to have them turn it off so I lived with it. I don't think it's applicable to the expedition but anyone with a forscan tool can look to see if the option exists to turn it off/on. Don't have a dog in this fight just putting it out there that the fake engine noise was on the F-150 line. Do with it what you will.