Just ordered a 2020 Expedition

[Adieu]

That may work just fine until they say tell you to walk.
Dealers don’t keep the lights on by losing money.

A dealer is paid holdback and whatever dealer to automaker incentives for sales numbers the have earned and what is available that we don’t know about..
We as a public can dip into hold back and whatever sales incentives from Ford.
Unless a dealer is in a financial bind, chances are the guy behind you may not be as informed, and your dealer will ask you to kindly step aside.

When it comes to high trim levels, those buying them aren’t as concerned as others when it comes to a few bucks, want them more and they sell. That’s why the XLTs are the more plentiful vehicles with the most incentives right now.

Anyone get 2020 pricing yet?
I just ordered a new Super Duty Limited, and the price jumped a whopping $4,000 from an identically equipped 19’.

2020 Super Duty Limited?

Holy **** that must cost a pretty penny

Out of curiosity I optioned a '19 Dually to see if I could make a legitimate normal Ford truck break the 100k mark.... but it "only" hit $98k after rebate



Should be breakable in 2020

 

[Adieu]

New interior for the SD Limited.
The truck version is flip-flopped from the Expy. The Platinum is behind the Limited in trim.
I’m not as hesitant buying a Super Duty. They hold resale a lot better than an SUV, especially when price spikes never seem to stop.

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THAT'S 87 grand???

Naaaaw...what the hell, Ford.

Might as well have gone low trim and off to an aftermarket shop for better interior bling.

That leather and infotainment are way meh for that kind of dough.

 

[GC2019]

I look at vehicle ownership differently, and anything aftermarket is a complete waste of money at resale..
Personally, I don’t look at cost, I look at cost to own, and if taken care of, trucks definitely cost less to own than an SUV.

I’ll pay 2K under invoice, drive it for three years, it’ll be under 40K mileage. By the time I trade, the same trim package will be close to 100K, which means my resale will be somewhere less than 10K to own for three years...which is cheap.


Low mileage, high trim brings solid resale.
High trim and luxury trucks also make me very happy!

 

[Artie]

Dealer told me tow package was the only way to get the dual speed transfer case. That seems crazy.

This is correct unless you get the FX4 model I believe.

Time to check out the Lincoln.

You’ll be happy you did.

 

[Deadman]

All due respect, this tells us nothing. The only proof you have is your bill. It would be great if you could take a picture and post your dealer bill of sale. Then, we can all accurately see if your claim is real.

The Lincoln's must only be intended to tow trailers, seeing as they ONLY come with 3.73 gears in them. It's almost as if that was their "premium" vehicle offering with premium performance parts in it...... DUH!

 

[GC2019]

Driving the Lincoln, it felt noticeably slower and heavier than the Expy. Might have just been me.

The Lincoln's must only be intended to tow trailers, seeing as they ONLY come with 3.73 gears in them. It's almost as if that was their "premium" vehicle offering with premium performance parts in it...... DUH!

“Premium”??
Gear sets are an optional choice for the requirements.
Necessary to carry the extra weight of a Nav?
Not enough torque to weight ratio to make the Nav feel more sporty?
Not concerned about fuel mileage?
All very possible.

If 3:31 sets were not optimal for non towing Expeditions, they wouldn’t be offered an an option.

Personally The last vehicle that I would tow with is an SUV.. not nearly enough power and more importantly, not enough braking for my needs.
I prefer diesel power and Hd truck braking.

Still waiting on the bill of sales picture..

 

[OrangeWhipX3]

The Lincoln's must only be intended to tow trailers, seeing as they ONLY come with 3.73 gears in them. It's almost as if that was their "premium" vehicle offering with premium performance parts in it...... DUH!

I'll play.

The 3.5 HO that's in the Lincoln makes peak torque @ 3500 RPM. The Expedition's non-HO 3.5 gets peak torque @ 2500 RPM. The HO is a higher strung motor - hence the lower gears.

If you're hauling shingles to the dump and pulling a big RV around and drag racing all the time, by all means, the 3.73's are for you. But this thing will be my wife's vehicle. She doesn't do any of that. She hauls two boys, a dumb-as-rocks lab, and groceries. That's it. If 3.15's were available with 4X4 I'd have gotten them.

 

[Deadman]

The sole reason the 3.31's are standard is so the EPA is happy and they can squeak out every last 1/10 MPG so they can say they get better mpg than GM.

 

[GC2019]

The whole purpose for 3:31 gears are because engineers have determined the option to be the most efficient gear set for an Expedition.
There are no laws guiding the fuel mileage and I don’t think the EPA is an emotional being that needs to be made “happy”. Laws are black and white.

Thousands of dollars of fuel will be saved with each 3:31 equipped vehicle, and no one will be able to tell the difference in power. If towing is a prerequisite, and 3:73 gears are needed to tow a heavy load, then by all means that’s the option to order. Otherwise, just marbles stirring in one’s head.

My new Super Duty will churn out over 1,000 lbs of torque, do you think it will fall on its face with 3:31 gears?
Going out on a limb here....I doubt it...

 

[carymccarr]

The whole purpose for 3:31 gears are because engineers have determined the option to be the most efficient gear set for an Expedition.
There are no laws guiding the fuel mileage and I don’t think the EPA is an emotional being that needs to be made “happy”. Laws are black and white.

Thousands of dollars of fuel will be saved with each 3:31 equipped vehicle, and no one will be able to tell the difference in power. If towing is a prerequisite, and 3:73 gears are needed to tow a heavy load, then by all means that’s the option to order. Otherwise, just marbles stirring in one’s head.

My new Super Duty will churn out over 1,000 lbs of torque, do you think it will fall on its face with 3:31 gears?
Going out on a limb here....I doubt it...

You forgot to ask for Bill of sale


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[GC2019]

Haha, that’s never going to appear..

 

[Deadman]

The whole purpose for 3:31 gears are because engineers have determined the option to be the most efficient gear set for an Expedition.
There are no laws guiding the fuel mileage and I don’t think the EPA is an emotional being that needs to be made “happy”. Laws are black and white.

Thousands of dollars of fuel will be saved with each 3:31 equipped vehicle, and no one will be able to tell the difference in power. If towing is a prerequisite, and 3:73 gears are needed to tow a heavy load, then by all means that’s the option to order. Otherwise, just marbles stirring in one’s head.

My new Super Duty will churn out over 1,000 lbs of torque, do you think it will fall on its face with 3:31 gears?
Going out on a limb here....I doubt it...

A 4.10 Superduty will walk yours up the grades, but if you like the road gears, then that's all that matters!

 

[Deadman]

Haha, that’s never going to appear..

You guys sure get sour when you pay too much. Sorry I did my homework!

 

[carymccarr]

You guys sure get sour when you pay too much. Sorry I did my homework!

Curious why you wouldn’t snap a pic of the BOS to help people out?

Doesn’t matter to me, I order directly and pay invoice so no meaningful savings for me. But I’m happy to pay more for the exact build I want and no time sitting in a dealership.

 

[OrangeWhipX3]

You guys sure get sour when you pay too much. Sorry I did my homework!

You've got some balls calling anybody in this thread sour, when it is you, sir, who has had the bad attitude here.

You asked why I (and GC) didn't opt for max tow. It was explained. Then you go on to deride that decision. Over and over. Of course, GC screwed up even more royally because he didn't consult you for the rear end choice on his truck. And it's a sweet truck he's got coming - but you've got get a dig in on that too.

You make this outrageous claim that you got yours for $16k under MSRP. That's roughly $12k under invoice. That's probably about $9-10k under the dealer's actual cost. Hopefully you'll pardon us for being skeptical that there's a retail business out there selling their goods at a loss.

So tell us who your dealer is. Or post up some documentation. Otherwise, GTFOH.

 

[Deadman]

There was $12,000 in dealer cash alone, and they didn't hold any of it back like most dealers do. Not too hard to get into deep discounts when you have dealer cash like that available directly from Ford. Deals are out there guys........

 

[GC2019]

Well, post the sales receipt so we can see how it was structured, then your claim of being a legend will hold water. Without proof, it’s just wind..
We are calling you out sir.
Do you have honesty and character to respond?

If there is actual proof of 12k in dealer/ford incentives/holdback, I would love to see it.
There is invoice, there is hold back, there are incentives and then there is wind..
If true......What do you have to lose by doing so, except getting my full respect and an apology?
You made the claim....let’s see the structure..

I’m going to guess that we will never see a BOS from this guy, and we know the reason why.
Any post from DM from this point on....without a pic of the BOS, will give us the FINAL answer.

 

[Deadman]

After catching grief for my discount, no thanks. I already clearly spelled it out in detail in this thread.

 

[GC2019]

As expected.
Fully exposed as fraud.


Back to the thread’s topic.

 

[carymccarr]

After catching grief for my discount, no thanks. I already clearly spelled it out in detail in this thread.

You wouldn’t post it BEFORE you ‘got grief’ either though...

Why wouldn’t you snap a picture to help those who arent as good at negotiating and finding deals as you are?