Losing a turbo?

[Beckta10]

To make a long story short, I had my driver side turbo replaced because of a growling noise. I also complained at the time about a squeak I had been experiencing. I think I’ve got this squeak nailed down to the passenger side turbo and I’m concerned it will need replacement as well. The squeak happens when the boost is released from the turbo. I’ve contacted the dealer and they want me to wait a week and give them a call back. (This has been going on for months and I told them that). My question now is, what happens if I lose a turbo while driving? Will the car keep running but without the power of the turbo? How long could I drive it like this? For example, if I’m on a long road trip would I be able to finish it or would I need to pull over to the nearest ford dealer and possibly wait days for a new turbo?

Thanks everyone!


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[cmiles97]

Does the extended CPO warranty include towing? Without one turbo, will it affect the other? Otherwise I'm guessing it will be like driving a 3.5 non turbo, a whole lot less power. Maybe worse with the turbo providing restriction at air intake and exhaust. There is another thread here where a guy just had one Turbo replaced at 116,000 miles. I don't recall if he drove without one or they replaced it because of oil leaking.

Personally if it does fail, I'd have it towed to the nearest dealership for repair. I'd be concerned about why it failed and pieces of the turbo going into the valves and or cylinder. The CPO warranty is good at all Ford dealerships.

 

[Trainmaster]

Depends how it fails. If the impeller breaks up, it will ruin the motor.

 

[Beckta10]

Does the extended CPO warranty include towing? Without one turbo, will it affect the other? Otherwise I'm guessing it will be like driving a 3.5 non turbo, a whole lot less power. Maybe worse with the turbo providing restriction at air intake and exhaust. There is another thread here where a guy just had one Turbo replaced at 116,000 miles. I don't recall if he drove without one or they replaced it because of oil leaking.

Personally if it does fail, I'd have it towed to the nearest dealership for repair. I'd be concerned about why it failed and pieces of the turbo going into the valves and or cylinder. The CPO warranty is good at all Ford dealerships.

I’m not sure if the cpo includes towing but I think it does and I’m still under the 5year/60k. I also have towing through my insurance policy.

I was asking about driving it further because as you can imagine if you were going on vacation and it failed your entire trip could be ruined if you’ve got to wait around for a new turbo for a couple of days. My father in law actually takes our car loaded with 11 peoples luggage on a 2,000 mile trip every year. He drives to the destination because he likes driving while the rest of us fly so for the vehicle to break down would be a huge challenge because even if a loaner was provided I doubt it would fit the luggage of 11 people and two passengers the way our expedition and prior mini van would.

Anyways, it sounds like driving it anyway would be a bad idea as it risks engine damage. Good to know!


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[NASCAR Mike]

When my throttle body went bad the computer somehow turned off the turbos. The engine ran but it was seriously underpowered. I could do 70 MPH but it took a very long time to reach that speed. I would say that if one of your turbo fails, short of it exploding and sending metal pieces into the engine, your Expy will still drive but will be underpowered.

After my TB was replaced and computer reset, the turbos were working fine.

 

[rjdelp7]

My guess, it will go into limp mode. It will run, but with no power. Trade in time?

 

[Muddy Bean]

When my drivers turbo went, truck drove just fine. Had noticeably less power but wasn’t a dog by any stretch.


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[1955moose]

Unless the computer kicks in with the aforementioned limp mode, usually reserved for overheating, and failing automatic Transmissions, your 375 or 400 hp Expedition should resort to it's more meager Clark Kent self. My guess around 250 hp or so. Wouldn't want to run for extended periods in this mode though. The computer's shutting down turbo functions, but also rethinking it's factory parameters. Could be a problem with Cat's or other components. Meant to get you home, not a permanent redo of failed parts.

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[Trainmaster]

I'm hearing that in the coming years Ford will be offering a V-8 in the Expeditions again. They're simply losing too many sales to GM. A lot of people who buy these cars want nothing to do with turbos. While they may not be a huge liability, more than a few buyers are just saying "enough is enough" with technology and opt for simplicity where they spend their dollars.

 

[JExpedition07]

With fuel economy standards ramping up the V8 and boosted V6s time is running out. 4 cylinders will be the norm soon enough.

Our govt has destroyed automobiles.

 

[powerboatr]

I'm hearing that in the coming years Ford will be offering a V-8 in the Expeditions again. They're simply losing too many sales to GM. A lot of people who buy these cars want nothing to do with turbos. While they may not be a huge liability, more than a few buyers are just saying "enough is enough" with technology and opt for simplicity where they spend their dollars.

maybe a choice of two engines...but the eco boost is not going anywhere soon

 

[cmiles97]

I'm hearing that in the coming years Ford will be offering a V-8 in the Expeditions again. They're simply losing too many sales to GM. A lot of people who buy these cars want nothing to do with turbos. While they may not be a huge liability, more than a few buyers are just saying "enough is enough" with technology and opt for simplicity where they spend their dollars.

GM's v-8s are not simple motors. Who thinks cylinder deactivation mode is more reliable than a turbo? Then again most folks never open the hood of the car. The 6.2L and 8 speed auto in my 16 Camaro SS was awesome until the torque convertor started to go around 17,000 miles.

Just saw this: Both are due to active fuel management with the shutting down of 4 cylinders.

GM 5.3L OIL CONSUMPTION LAWSUIT FILED IN MINNESOTA
https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2016/gm-53l-oil-consumption-lawsuit.shtml

and this:

s Your 5.3L V8 Engine Eating Up Too Much Oil? We Have Two Solutions For You.
https://www.gmpartsonline.net/blog/engine-oil-consumption-solutions

 

[Trainmaster]

Thank you cmiles. You answered a few questions for me. I suppose all manufacturers are having their problems with reliability.

 

[JExpedition07]

The trucks that aren’t having reliability problems are 3/4 ton plus where the strict cafe regulations don’t apply for fuel economy. The manufacturers don’t use any of those unreliable technologies on those trucks.

They also get cast iron blocks, metal oil pans, aluminum valve covers, hydraulic steering, etc.

VS the half tons aluminum blocks, plastic oil pans, plastic valve covers, electric steering.

Different worlds.

 

[rjdelp7]

GM's v-8s are not simple motors. Who thinks cylinder deactivation mode is more reliable than a turbo? Then again most folks never open the hood of the car. The 6.2L and 8 speed auto in my 16 Camaro SS was awesome until the torque convertor started to go around 17,000 miles.

Just saw this: Both are due to active fuel management with the shutting down of 4 cylinders.

GM 5.3L OIL CONSUMPTION LAWSUIT FILED IN MINNESOTA
https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2016/gm-53l-oil-consumption-lawsuit.shtml

and this:

s Your 5.3L V8 Engine Eating Up Too Much Oil? We Have Two Solutions For You.
https://www.gmpartsonline.net/blog/engine-oil-consumption-solutions

Fuel 'management' on a 6.2l Camaro? WTF for? Can the AFM be disabled, on the dashboard driver menu?

 

[cmiles97]

Fuel 'management' on a 6.2l Camaro? WTF for? Can the AFM be disabled, on the dashboard driver menu?

Crazy huh but it I was averaging near 24mpg and oh boy that was a lose your license and go to jail fast car.

No there wasn't a way to turn off the AFM without a tuner unless you count pressing the pedal when it kicked on or putting into manual shift mode and keeping a gear or 2 low.

Either way a bad design if oil bypass hurts the motor long term. Not to mention the transmission issues I was having.

 

[TobyU]

With fuel economy standards ramping up the V8 and boosted V6s time is running out. 4 cylinders will be the norm soon enough.

Our govt has destroyed automobiles.

Why can't we get the govt to scale back this crap??
this is why I rebel at ALL emission and safety inspections. It all starts someone and gets worse!

It's a shame!

I was hoping when gas first hit 3.00 a gallon that they would lax some of the regulations and we could get some chinese or indian disposable cars for 1500 at pep boys.
But this country is ridiculous...safety safety....mph bumpers, air bags, crash bars in doors. now abs, stability control, pretty soon lane assist, auto emergency braking, side crash lane sensors....IT NEVER ENDS!

I blame it on the "groups" who want everything. Like tree-huggers, environmentalists, safety freaks, etc.

Almost be nice to be in a country where the govt didn't care at all about car things.
But never a perfect situation or happy medium.

 

[oldpaddy]

VS the half tons aluminum blocks, plastic oil pans, plastic valve covers, electric steering.

Different worlds.

When did they make those changes?
I have a '14 and I'm pretty sure at least my oil pan is metal. I hate the aluminum hood and trunk. They're both bubbling.
As far as turbo v6, I wouldn't want one. Sounds like a problem waiting to happen. Which after reading this thread, it sounds like my fears are justified.

 

[JExpedition07]

When did they make those changes?
I have a '14 and I'm pretty sure at least my oil pan is metal. I hate the aluminum hood and trunk. They're both bubbling.
As far as turbo v6, I wouldn't want one. Sounds like a problem waiting to happen. Which after reading this thread, it sounds like my fears are justified.

Yes our 5.4L engines do have cast iron blocks along with metal pans and covers....plastic intake manifold. All the manufacturers started implementing these changes over the last decade or so for weight savings and cost effectiveness.