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i noticed when i first bought my 99 expy like a year ago when i started it with it in gear i can fell in lurch forward just a bit.whats going on here? it's only slight movement but enough to were i can fell it sitting in the thing, seems like it shifts fine while driving though an the movement id say is only few inches, start up moves forward then rolls back like i said only few inches
 

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How do you start it with it in gear? The way I know it is you could only start a car with automatic transmission being in Park or neutral, it will not turn over in Drive or reverse.
 

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i don't know, bad mounts you feel the motor moving when shifting between gears not upon start up, I was thinking torque converter but that's so far fetched, he'd be noticing a lot more than just "lurching"

Anyways, lightning there's a way you can test to see if it is your motor mounts

You know how to burn out right? Well you'll need a second person or a camera to physically look at the engine as you put it in drive, press the brakes and give it gas while in drive, u don't need to mash the pedal to the floor, half throttle is more than enough and if they are bad then when you hit the gas the motor will rock back and forth. It will be obvious cause the motor will lunch forward 3-6 inches everytime you blip the throttle,,, this is y a second person or a camera is needed, you don't necessarily feel it but you can see it.

Let me know if that is what it is and not something else.
 

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Might not be going in Park all the way, next time you go to shut it off, put in park for a few seconds longer then shut off. Might have to push lever in park with a tad of force to make sure it is going into park.

I never seen bad motor mounts launch motor 3-6" forward, I always seen them twist side to side, maybe a couple of inches with bad/broken motor mounts.
 

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My 2000 Eddie Bauer 4x4 does this! When in parkb, obviously , on flat ground . It will surge forward when it starts. Ive noticed it only does it when It sits still for a couple days
 
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My 2000 Eddie Bauer 4x4 does this! When in parkb, obviously , on flat ground . It will surge forward when it starts. Ive noticed it only does it when It sits still for a couple days

just like mine man same thing going on but i did over exaggerate how far mine moves forward its really like an inch but my engine mounts are good and i tired it again an give the shifter a bump to make sure it was in park an still did it seems like after it sits when engine is only cold it does it say if i drove it then tried to start it up while warm it doesn't do it. i am guessing its ok its goijng to have to stay like that i guess unless it gets worst but really i dont think it will hurt anything i hope not
 

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What you have is a problem and not a problem.

Cold starts in cold weather mostly, people have been known to complain about the lurching forward, for alot of different years and models by Fords. Fords themselves do not have an answer to this.

So, is it a problem, in a sense yes, will it cause damage, there has not been one complaint of a trans failing because of this issue.

If it gets annoying, I would suggest stepping on brake pedal or apply the E-brake when starting, should stop the lurching feeling.
 

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It is due to residual transmission fluid in the clutch packs. It is not a cause for concern. Just apply the service brake before starting.
 

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Doesn't really bother me , I always Joke to myself about , when it roars up under my carport . Shes ready to go !
 

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I'm not one for throwing parts at a problem but after searching the net of others with that issue only one person was able to remedy the problem with a fluid change and Lucas trans additive. The others didn't have a solution. If the Lucas is acting as a friction modifier then that would make sense.

How many miles are on the trans and fluid?

Your call on adding it in with a fluid change.
 

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gents, this issue is a non-issue.

transmissions, while IN GEAR and idling are pre-loaded- meaning all the planetary and sun gears are pressing into position awaiting the release of the brakes. well sht..... this is gonna get winded, but it may help some of y'all:

if you can imagine a bucket of water and a person holding a paddle with intent to stir that water you have the general idea of fluid coupling. when the person starts stirring all the water starts flowing in the direction the person is stirring it.... the paddle represents the engines crankshaft.... the water is the transmission fluid in the torque converter, and the bucket is the torque converter housing.

imagine now there is a finned wheel in the bottom of the bucket with a sealed shaft that extends through the base of the bucket. when the input shaft (the paddle) is fired up by the engine (the person stirring) something has to give, or the engine won't be able to turn the paddle- meaning the engine (person) will stall (quit turning) or something will break.

imagine that doesn't happen, and the paddle turns freely in the bucket... in about one and a half turns the water in the bucket is starting to swirl in the direction intended- and the fins on the wheel/plate in the bottom of the bucket start to spin in tune with it. that is fluid coupling. the other side of that finned wheel/plate has a shaft on it which is the output shaft that feeds your input shaft which is what makes your transmission spin...

at rest the juice in the torque converter and transmissions are just that- at rest... still....

when the spinning begins, and fluid coupling happens (even though it is encountering resistance from the brakes being engaged) slack is removed from the spaces between the teeth on the sun an planetary gears (and other items of black magic present in an automatic transmission) throughout the transmission- and that which is represented as a lunge forward. that is all.

there are different types of stalls when discussing torque converters- the most common one is the speed the engine turns before the fluid coupling has the power to overcome sitting still- the point where it engages. I don't know what the OE stall speed is on these things, but I can say on the 09 superduty pushing the 5r110w transmission is varies depending on how much power torque management is scripted to deliver to the transmission- i'm thinking the stall speed is fairly low, like in the 1500~1800 range at the highest, which allows the transmission to engage quickly instead of suggesting the engine reach a higher RPM (where a 'built' for racing engine encounters the bottom of it's designed torque curve).... so.... when a person fires the truck up first thing in the morning it encounters a resting NOT 'preloaded' transmission and drive line (slack present in the gearing), and what does a cold mod engines PCM instruct it to do? a: deliver more fuel/run a higher RPM to get things going.... this is a higher rpm than you'd encounter on a warm start, and it's enough to 'preload' the transmission and almost enough to overcome the brake stall speed.

shorthand: slack in the gears, fluid coupling, higher initial idle speed on cold engine = lunge. not a problem.
 

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Read post 1 then the correction in post 3. Trans is in park. Even though the tc is partially coupled the remainder of the driveline should be disengaged. None of the automatic trans I've had do the lurching forward. So to myself and others, it is an issue that shouldn't occur but we can live with.

I still would like to know the age and condition of his trans fluid.
 

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Read post 1 then the correction in post 3. Trans is in park. Even though the tc is partially coupled the remainder of the driveline should be disengaged. None of the automatic trans I've had do the lurching forward. So to myself and others, it is an issue that shouldn't occur but we can live with.

I still would like to know the age and condition of his trans fluid.

aye.... that changes things...

parking sprag.

to the OP: have you ever ran the tire into a curb or something similar and put it in park without taking your foot off the brake and letting it rest before doing so? if you did, taking it OUT of park is a chore and seems like you're about to break something.... and you are... you're park sprag. I wager it's damage, and i further wager if you drop the pan you'll find a chunk off of it laying there.
 
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