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Hi all,


New member here, but long time lurker.


I’m looking for a little advice about by 2011 Expedition. I bought it in 2012 with about 25K miles. It’s been pretty much trouble free, and still is. I’ve maintained it for the most part, oil/lube, front struts (twice), O2 sensors, window motor, etc. But I’m pretty much a fix what’s broke guy.

So now I have 170k+ miles on it and I’ve never done any of the “preventative” type of things like, plugs, wires, trans service, diff service, etc. I had a leak in a radiator hose, so the coolant was just flushed/serviced. The miles have mostly been easy Florida highway miles, so I’m sure that helps. I still average about 18 mpg and it seems to start/run perfect.

So my question is do look into putting a couple $K into it (assuming every plug breaks as they are removed and it’s all done right) or do I wait it out until it starts running bad?

Thanks for any thoughts,

David
 

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At a minimum, do what is in the owner's manual. You're late on most of it, but I'd start with the plugs. They will probably hard to remove, but shouldn't break. 2011 doesn't have the two-piece spark plugs. I think they changed starting with 2009 model year.
 
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At a minimum, do what is in the owner's manual. You're late on most of it, but I'd start with the plugs. They will probably hard to remove, but shouldn't break. 2011 doesn't have the two-piece spark plugs. I think they changed starting with 2009 model year.

The Dealer says they are two-peace, but maybe the counter person is wrong. They also assume at least 4 will break and will be extra $50 for each one. they talked about how they get them towed in from other shops because the other shops don't know how to remove the peaces once they break. I've been a hesitant knowing there is a risk of real problems if it's not done right. Maybe my fear is misplaced. Thx.
 

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Get everything done. If you plan to keep the truck drop ALL the fluids...tranny, Diffs, transfer case, coolant, ps, brake.

I do this every 30k-50k and I’ve not had a failure or any leaks ( knocking on wood now)

But then again mine is a 1st gen Expy :D
 

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The plugs are ordinary plugs and will not break. No big deal, have them changed.
Air filter too.

Also change the transmission fluid and filter. Change the transfer case fluid if it's a 4WD. And you can change the differential fluids if you like.
 
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The plugs are ordinary plugs and will not break. No big deal, have them changed.
Air filter too.

Also change the transmission fluid and filter. Change the transfer case fluid if it's a 4WD. And you can change the differential fluids if you like.

Thanks for the input. The Ford counter person was wrong or not really looking at the exact year when she talked about the plugs breaking off and the extra $$. Seems like the easy thing to do.

David
 

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If they tell you they can break then they are planning on charging you extra 100-150 and saying 2-3 broke!

Do them yourself.
Only need basic 3/8 ratchet and a couple of extensions and prob 7mm nut driver or 1/4 drive socket.
You can spray some PB Blaster in the plug well after soil is out and fill it up with 1 inch of PB and let it soak a while then crack them loose then let it soak 30mins to 1hr and get the out even easier.
 

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Plugs are definitely something to do yourself.


He uses a compressor with a wand to blow all the dust and dirt out of the (nearly vertical) spark plug wells, but canned air or a vacuum cleaner would also work.

I just pulled mine at 105k miles, and cylinder 8 was worn down to the nub. The rest looked worn, but serviceable.

I can’t imagine what yours look like at 170k.

Also, like TobyU said above, a little PB Blaster down into the old plugs is a good idea, though “an inch” is probably a bit much. ;)


As for the rest, I would also do all your fluids. So far I’ve done my brake fluid, and it was almost as dark as used oil. Tranny fluid, t-case, differentials, and coolant will happen this spring before I tow the camper. Remember, most of those systems are not air tight, so they will take on moisture from the atmosphere, and all oils lose their lubricity and other properties over time, so changing them is usually a good idea.

If you’re handy, this is all easily done by the shade tree mechanic, and the FordMakuloco guy (whose video I posted above) has a lot of great walkthroughs to help every step of the way. As for cost, you should be able to do all plugs, fluids, pcv valves, etc for less than $500. A small price for years of additional service.
 

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The only reason I say to put a good amount of penetrating oil into the plug Wells is because there is a lot of area to cover and get through on those extended reach deep plug designs. That is why you crack them loose just about 1/16 of a turn or so after they sit a few minutes too. You're not looking to just get the contact area for the conical seat sealing surface touches the head as with most plugs, or even the thread contact area. You are trying to soak down all the way through that over inch long extended area that protrudes into the head before the tip think it's all packed with carbon.
One of the methods of removing the original one piece design that was prone to break off was to soak them with penetrating oil first, then crack them and then soak them once or twice with carb cleaner. This help to loosen the carbon better than the penetrating oil.
Blowing out the plug well is always a great idea and I always do that but I didn't mention because it doesn't sound like there is no poster is a do-it-yourself mechanic and I figured they probably don't have an air compressor with a good volume of air at 100 PSI. But maybe they do. Always use a blow gun and blow off the top of the engine and then blow out the plug wells of each coil you remove.
 

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You’re right, you probably need more Pb than you’d think. I know when I did mine (2014, 105k miles) they came out easy with just a squirt of the Pb. But the OP has nearly twice the miles and twice the age as mine, so more PB than you’d think you need is probably fine.

Plus, any PB that creeps into the cylinder will burn off quick once you fire it up, and copious amounts of blaster won’t hurt anything.

One other thing the video mentions is to do this on a warm engine. The heat helps loosen the plugs.

if the OP doesn’t have a compressor, a leaf blower is better than nothing...
 

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Thanks for the input. The Ford counter person was wrong or not really looking at the exact year when she talked about the plugs breaking off and the extra $$. Seems like the easy thing to do.

David


Yup, there's yer problem! Perhaps another line of work would be more appropriate for people who don't know sweet-f-all about automotive repair and maintenance of the very cars / trucks they sell? 20$ says "she" never even opened the hood on a Ford truck to check the f**king oil level, because "she" doesn't know where the hood lever and oil dispstick are located or what they're for!

:shakehead:


As for maintenance, it's all pretty straight forward. I just did all of mine on my 2014 SSV ex-cop truck (bought it this summer with 132,000 miles on the clock). My Expedition is very similar or same as yours mechanically.

I can confirm the plugs are one piece and can be removed quite easily with a ratchet and 14mm spark plug socket. Rockauto had a killer deal on new iridium plugs (Champion) at $5 a pop, as well as air/oil filters, trans fluid (Mercon LV) and filter, etc.

I would STRONGLY suggest to have someone else than the dealer do the work, if you want to save some major cash (just make sure the person or shop is competent to do it). Just the fact that they sold you this bullsh*t story about the 2-piece plugs in a 2011 is a red flag to avoid these scammers!


I would also suggest to put in a new alternator in there. I had mine rebuild for about $120 USD (local rebuild shop) and the guy I spoke to was impressed that my alternator lasted that long, as apparently the F-150 / Expedition alternators tend to fail sooner, as per his experience.

Finally, A new water pump, idler pulleys, tensioner and a new drive belt would also help the truck last longer (mine were really worn and the water pump was leaking). Again, Rockauto is your friend for best quality parts (Motorcraft, etc) at lowest prices. Motorcraft water pump was about $30 and the belt drive kit about $90. Can't beat those prices!

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The one thing I immediately LOVED my new truck for is how easy it was to work on it. There's ample room for everything and it appears that all parts have been engineered for easy access and replacement.
 
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Yup, there's yer problem! Perhaps another line of work would be more appropriate for people who don't know sweet-f-all about automotive repair and maintenance of the very cars / trucks they sell? 20$ says "she" never even opened the hood on a Ford truck to check the f**king oil level, because "she" doesn't know where the hood lever and oil dispstick are located or what they're for!

This is straight up sexist bullsh•t.

I have known more than a few women who were fully capable of tearing down a block and rebuilding it.
I’ve also known more than a few men who fell for “blinker fluid.”

So next time, save the sexism for somewhere else.
 

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This is straight up sexist bullsh•t.

I have known more than a few women who were fully capable of tearing down a block and rebuilding it.
I’ve also known more than a few men who fell for “blinker fluid.”

So next time, save the sexism for somewhere else.
True, as we have Fordgirl on here who just pulled the head off of her Navigator 32-valve in the chassis.
I made a point to comment congratulations to her that she has now done more Automotive repair work thsn than most human beings alive.

The poster should have just left the she out and I said what the real problem is: the entire dealer operating procedure of having service writers etc.
They hire people for service writers with no Automotive experience and the service writers only learn through their job experience what problems might be if they're observe it and pick up on what the repairs are from the symptoms that people come in describing when they drop off their cars. It is an absolute joke. I'm sure the text at a dealership laugh and just shake their head just as much as I do. Can you imagine some of the things a service writers say to check for the symptoms!
 

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Yup, there's yer problem! Perhaps another line of work would be more appropriate for people who don't know sweet-f-all about automotive repair and maintenance of the very cars / trucks they sell? 20$ says "she" never even opened the hood on a Ford truck to check the f**king oil level, because "she" doesn't know where the hood lever and oil dispstick are located or what they're for!

:shakehead:


As for maintenance, it's all pretty straight forward. I just did all of mine on my 2014 SSV ex-cop truck (bought it this summer with 132,000 miles on the clock). My Expedition is very similar or same as yours mechanically.

I can confirm the plugs are one piece and can be removed quite easily with a ratchet and 14mm spark plug socket. Rockauto had a killer deal on new iridium plugs (Champion) at $5 a pop, as well as air/oil filters, trans fluid (Mercon LV) and filter, etc.

I would STRONGLY suggest to have someone else than the dealer do the work, if you want to save some major cash (just make sure the person or shop is competent to do it). Just the fact that they sold you this bullsh*t story about the 2-piece plugs in a 2011 is a red flag to avoid these scammers!


I would also suggest to put in a new alternator in there. I had mine rebuild for about $120 USD (local rebuild shop) and the guy I spoke to was impressed that my alternator lasted that long, as apparently the F-150 / Expedition alternators tend to fail sooner, as per his experience.

Finally, A new water pump, idler pulleys, tensioner and a new drive belt would also help the truck last longer (mine were really worn and the water pump was leaking). Again, Rockauto is your friend for best quality parts (Motorcraft, etc) at lowest prices. Motorcraft water pump was about $30 and the belt drive kit about $90. Can't beat those prices!

;)


The one thing I immediately LOVED my new truck for is how easy it was to work on it. There's ample room for everything and it appears that all parts have been engineered for easy access and replacement.
Sorry, but there's no way I can agree with recommending replacing alternators and some other parts as routine maintenance. I think you will find the majority of mechanics and Automotive world will not either.
You just don't replace an alternator until it fails are gives a problem. People don't replace alternators as routine maintenance item to preemptively replace it so it doesn't fail. Also, the best alternator you will ever have on your vehicle will be the one that left the factory with and I don't care if you buy a Motorcraft or not. Anyone who thinks a Motorcraft alternator that you buy today from Ford, RockAuto or wherever else.... is as good as the Ford alternator that came on a 2012 vehicle is really making some assumptions and giving a lot of credit poor credit should not be given.
The odds are and I mean by a high degree, the odds are that the replacement will not last as long as the original.
Now, as with anything, in the odds, averages and total numbers, there will be some failures early on and there will be some that last the entire life of the vehicle Plus, but that is nowhere near the norm or what most people are going to experience.
Serpentine belts are a maintenance and normal replacement item but they should first be inspected and only replaced once you're seeing a good amount of cracks in them.
Tensioners, tensioner pulleys, and either pulleys are not meant to be replaced unless there is a problem.

Of course, it's everyone's on individual vehicle and their own money so they are free to do whatever they want but I just can't support that and we shouldn't be recommending others to do things like this.
You might change the fluid in your transmission to get longer life but you wouldn't replace it or rebuild it at 85 or 115k just so you can say it won't go out unexpectedly on you.
You don't remove valve covers and replace gaskets so you won't have any leaks. You leave them alone unless there is a leak.
It is a shame some of the newer vehicles are having water pump problems because the Ford modular water pump is the best water pump ever made and installed on a car. We have literally had hundreds and hundreds of 4.6 is in town cars, Crown Vics, 5.4 + 6.8 V10 in trucks and I can't remember ever a water pump leaking. We have replaced a couple if the vehicles were older or had high miles and we're having cooling issues. We would replace the water pump along with the radiator and thermostat.

If we had a rash of comely failing items that it would be a different situation but past experience an available information doesn't support this. One person at one dealership saying something is hardly accurate or honest enough to base a decision on.
The failures, if any, of some of these parts during the life of a car and the miles, or age at which they fail is way too all over the board to base things on. Friend of mine has a 95 Town Car with a little over 300K on it that he's had for about 12 years now.
It has had the alternator replaced by him and the belt idler pulley because the bearing seized up. The tensioner pulley is just fine and the tensioner is also good with its original spring tension so those have not been replaced.
If people wanted to preemptively replace things and save themselves headache and the rust States they would start replacing brake lines when they get severely rusted before they start sleeping or blow out. Or of course they could invest in some oil style rust preventative and coaster brake lines once or twice a year or hack maybe even every two years and maybe get them to last the entire life of the vehicle. This 95 Town Car I'm speaking of had to have every last inch of brake line replaced.
That was a big job that I did for him and unfortunately we had to do it outside over two days in 18 degree temperatures.
I guess I could have patched it up enough to drive it somewhere warm but we really didn't have anywhere warm convenient. He has a one-car garage there but it's been so full of crap for years you can't put the car into it and as he posted the picture on Facebook of me fixing it with my toboggan hat on and winter coat not. I'm just in my element doing things the hard way outside, at night and by flashlight.
That was probably at least three years ago and his brake lines are all still good and he still driving it.
They are not quick, easy, or fun repairs so it would be best to replace rusty old lines before a blowout or start leaking and you may have to do them in terrible conditions.

This gets into my conflict of interest or whatever you want to call it. Seeing, there is no option for me to tow a car to the garage and have it fixed. If the car is going to be fixed I must fix it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not poor and I waste a lot of money on things that I could save but I would have to sacrifice doing things or eating things that I want to eat and things that I want to do.
But even if I had five times the money I needed and my retirement accounts were fully funded and money was falling out of my pockets oh, I still could not bring myself to pay a garage three or four hundred dollars to replace one rusted piece of brake line summation point I simply will not do it.
If I become an able to do it or if I were injured and can't do it oh, the vehicle will sit until I can oh, I will find someone who can do it for me at a very fair / cheap price, or I would even consider dumping the vehicle on Craigslist or Marketplace stating that it needs a brake line replacement, and then buy one that doesn't have that problem.
My point is, if you look at the simple numbers, if one of my Old Town Cars needed a repair right now, I could more than likely sell the Town Car and go buy another one that didn't need an immediate repair for less money out of my pocket then I would spend if I took the car to the garage and have them fix it!
It's not the easiest or best approach and I'm not saying I've actually done it but I would probably before I would go pay a ridiculous amount of money at a garage to get something fixed.
Too many people use excuses like they don't know how, or they're too old , or they don't have the tools... to not fix or even try to fix their own cars. I am the exact opposite, trying to find every possible last available way to get it done or do it myself to NOT have to go pay a garage to fix it.
I don't know what's wrong with me, do you?

I do know that when I had a heater core go out in a town car I got mad but then quickly got depressed. I was in a state of depression for about 3 days and I considered selling the vehicle because there was absolutely no way I was going to pay 600 plus dollars to get it done when the part was 35.
I called the only friend I know that works on cars in the area and he gave me the same answer he always gives me any time I ask him to do something for me, which is he's too busy. But yet he will repairs multiple cars a week. I guess they just feel bad about charging you the same price as everyone else. I would probably be okay with paying what he charges his normal customers because he is a very reasonable at home mechanic but anyway... So after I decided I wasn't going to sell the vehicle and buy another one, hi went ahead and did it.
I had never done one because I know it's a tough shit job. I had a friend of mine do one one time for me about 10 years ago and he only charged me $180 labor and came to my house and did it in about 2.5- 3 hours. But he has since moved to Florida and wasn't going to be in town anytime soon and that was not something I could coordinate.
It was fairly cold out but had a worms but come in about one week after it happened so I figured I better use the two unceasingly warm days we had to do it. The second day we got a little bit of misting rain and I actually ended up having my son holding an umbrella up above us while I was working at the edge of each side door to get the dash back into place.
now I never want to do the job in the first place I don't ever want to have to do another one. It really won't be any easier the second time as like I said it's a shit from a terrible design. Most cars are a terrible designs replace heater cores. I've done a good handful of heater cores over the years. There are a couple that are actually quite easy but most are a nightmare.
So for my grand total of something around 40 bucks it's been fine since December 2nd of last year.
Let's just hope it lasts for as long as I own the vehicle. They're not making heat of course like the used to either. I guess it does make me think I should probably flush and fill the coolant more often as fresh coolant can 10 to increase the life especially from spurious electrical currents that can find a way and to the cooling system and cause electrolysis or whatever it is that it does.
I do think the one I pulled out was the original core because it was the copper and brass Motorcraft one and look to have been there a very long time. That was 20 years and 168000 miles so hopefully the replacement one is good enough to get me through the rest of the time that I own this vehicle which is probably only four to five years max. I plan on replacing it by then with a newer one.
 
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Let’s lighten up attacking the alleged sexist. He never intimated all clams are idiots. Just the one specific to the parts counter on that post.

The hyper sensitivity and political correctness from the limp wristed metro-sexual manicured pretty boys doesn’t bode well in a truck forum... except for all the city slickers and soccer-dads who’ve never seen a dip stick, even their own cause their wife-man has em.

Whew. This room is clear. Lol.

Talk amongst yourselves.
 

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I was surprised to see him jump his shit so quickly like that. I could care less if everyone makes sexist comments on a truck for him. We are all free to discuss things as we choose. I blast all those people you mentioned we start talking about car repairs and such because most of them are all inept.
My wife worked in one of the big three local parts stores and managed a store for over 10 years so I know there are plenty of women that do know their stuff but I even piss her off with some of the comments I make. Things like people who know how to work on cars work on cars, those who don't sell part ....or or they sit around on Facebook or the internet talking about how to fix cars. Lol
A few of us do both.
 
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This is straight up sexist bullsh•t.

I have known more than a few women who were fully capable of tearing down a block and rebuilding it.
I’ve also known more than a few men who fell for “blinker fluid.”

So next time, save the sexism for somewhere else.
Just because the parts person was referred to as she, and was also being referred to as being ignorant etc.. doesn't mean it was a sexist comment. That's what's wrong with this world these days. On another note, I prefer to do maintenance on my vehicles because these days most dealer techs and parts people, male or female, are idiots. These days it's someone that was hired because they're a family member of the dealer or a friend of somebody etc... My dealer is perfect example. If the original poster isn't capable of doing own maintenance, then I would recommend a good local shop. I'd even go to the extent of providing the motorcraft oil, parts etc... if the brand is a concern.
 

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Just because the parts person was referred to as she, and was also being referred to as being ignorant etc.. doesn't mean it was a sexist comment. That's what's wrong with this world these days. On another note, I prefer to do maintenance on my vehicles because these days most dealer techs and parts people, male or female, are idiots. These days it's someone that was hired because they're a family member of the dealer or a friend of somebody etc... My dealer is perfect example. If the original poster isn't capable of doing own maintenance, then I would recommend a good local shop. I'd even go to the extent of providing the motorcraft oil, parts etc... if the brand is a concern.
No, I think the fact that he highlighted she in bold and then put she in quotes later pretty much makes it sexist.
At least makes it rude. Now as I said, I have no problem with people making sexist or rude remarks but I will call the remarks what they are.
 

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The post was sexist. Period. And I will call a spade a spade.

As to whether the commenter is sexist, I won’t (and didn’t) judge.

If it makes anyone feel better to think that I’m a “limp wristed metro-sexual manicured pretty boy...” or a “city slicker and soccer-dad who’ve never seen a dip stick, even their own cause their wife-man has em,” then I guess you do you. I know who I am.

Bottom line is that I will actively call out sexist behavior and comments, •even in a truck forum•, because some people don’t know any better. And even if the commenter thinks I’m any of the above, but someone else feels more accepted or realizes sexism in their own behavior and decides to work to improve, then I’ve done my job.
 

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The post was sexist. Period. And I will call a spade a spade.

As to whether the commenter is sexist, I won’t (and didn’t) judge.

If it makes anyone feel better to think that I’m a “limp wristed metro-sexual manicured pretty boy...” or a “city slicker and soccer-dad who’ve never seen a dip stick, even their own cause their wife-man has em,” then I guess you do you. I know who I am.

Bottom line is that I will actively call out sexist behavior and comments, •even in a truck forum•, because some people don’t know any better. And even if the commenter thinks I’m any of the above, but someone else feels more accepted or realizes sexism in their own behavior and decides to work to improve, then I’ve done my job.

Sounds fair but I never get worked up over anyone calling anyone else anything or being inappropriate unless it's directed directly towards me.
Then I will double and triple down and go back and forth as many times as they want to go back and forth because my opinions, preferences, likes and dislikes are my own and cannot be wrong.
Now if I take action on any of these warped ideas then that would certainly be wrong but whenever way a person feels, that's their business and people need to stop telling them that they are wrong. Whenever works for each person, BUT you often have to act appropriately.

I know I'm quite odd but I certainly have weird ways in which to be odd, if that's even possible. Some people, like yourself, are trying to change the world to make it better I doing things like that. I tend to gloss over those things and don't care if they ever get changed or not. The things I want to change the world usually aren't important to most people but I certainly go out of my way to continue to harp about the things that I want to be changed.

On a car forum such as this, I am much more concerned with people not getting ripped off and continuing to pay these shops the outlandish prices and doing what they recommend for repairs then I am about societal issues or sexism, e t c. Not in a different Forum or different time and place I might make comments about those issues but I'm not in here for that. It's not really relative as I see it.
But, prices, repairs, and doing things the hard way or the expensive way almost daily topics of discussion in an auto repair form so I see it as super relevant and that's what I focus on.
Then we have those manufacturers who don't give us what we want and only make what they want to make and know that people are going to buy a new cars regardless if they only have a few models to choose from... But I've already been over that multiple times before..... and will be over it again.
 
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