Mid-engine?

[TobyU]

911?

lol...really do not know...is the trunk of a 911 in front? Is a trunk, where you can transport luggage? in that case, your statement would be correct imho...

again, with rear engines we make a big distinction between mid(-rear) and rear (911, beetle). Why not in the front?

I general, from what I read (not hear on this forum), the mass beyond the (imaginary) axles, e.g. front and rear bumper can be detrimental to agility...typically, you want your weight between the axles...so what counts for 911, beetles counts also for front engines...no?

That's my point... If there's engine underneath it it's a hood or a bonnet, for those across the pond.
If you store stuff in it then that's the definition of a trunk but if you puy engine underneath it then it's a hood. Then if you flip the body around on the frame and have the storage compartment thing heading towards the front then it's towards the front so it must be a hood but but it looks to be a trunk but you can store things in it and if you put an engine inside of it then it becomes a double Hood because it's in front and it's above an engine.. then if you take a regular full size car and put the engine in the back and store stuff in the front that would make that a trunk. The rear which looks like a trunk would now hold an engine so the panel above it would be a hood but it's in the rear of the vehicle so it's a trunk so it's a hood trunk trunk.

Once again proving that definitions and facts aren't always correct. It's all relative. Just because Porsche decides to call it one thing does not make it absolutely so or correct.

 

[Tom T]

I guess your definition of hood and trunk is what I understand (as non-native speaker) too...makes sense...

 

[carymccarr]

Once again proving that definitions and facts aren't always correct. It's all relative. Just because Porsche decides to call it one thing does not make it absolutely so or correct.

No. Facts are not relative. Words used to describe them may be. 2 + 2 = 4. Always.

A hood is an engine cover. A trunk is a cars main storage area.

 

[TobyU]

No. Facts are not relative. Words used to describe them may be. 2 + 2 = 4. Always.

A hood is an engine cover. A trunk is a cars main storage area.

Those are definitions and not actually facts. But I figured you'd come out of the woodwork somewhere because you can't help yourself. That's what you do. You're obsessed with facts and you feel the need to point it out anytime it comes up. Tom and I were having a nice conversation tell you came in how to interject your opinion of what how facts work.
Now we're going to get back into that confirmation bias which in and of itself is a negative term. Confirmation should be more like.
2 plus 2 always equal 4 because that is a fact we've already established that. We can also state that the sun is warm. Actually it's very, very hot. But it is actually irrelevant how hot the Sun is at its surface or even at several miles away or 10 million miles away. All that really matters is what the temperature is that you or I feel from the sun's Heat. We can confirm what the temperature is at our distance and cloud cover and then we could determine to call it hot cold or warm.
So as I mentioned in our first conversations it's all semantics. Someone could say the sun is not very warm today in a jokeful manner. I'm sure in this situation you would feel the need to or go ahead and correct the person and tell them no actually the sun is actually very hot it's just cooler out today.
So the fact that the sun is hot is relative to your distance from the Sun but we don't always have to State exact facts and go by exact definitions of words. That just makes life boring. Of course, for those who feel the need to be analytical and cross every T and Dot every I and probably don't use the word ain't, it makes them feel better.

Now back to cars. A trunk was a device to store things in long before cars had them.
I think they invented Hood just for cars. Theoretically it should have been called the engine compartment. Funny to that we call the hood and the front fenders the dog house.
I left an o off of the too up there just so you could notice it and correct me if you'd like to.

I heard is not necessarily an engine cover. A more accurate definition would be his sheet metal part of the car that covers the engine compartment for encloses the engine compartment. Many cars today have engine covers that are plastic on top of the engine well below the hood.
A hood it is also a bad guy.

Anyway, back to my relative world and observing things whether fact or not so I can confirm the way things work in the world so I can form my opinions and see what my personal preferences are so I can continue to do them for all the days of my life and forget about what others think, say, feel, or want to discuss my looking at different viewpoints or opinions.
Life is good.

 

[carymccarr]

Those are definitions and not actually facts. But I figured you'd come out of the woodwork somewhere because you can't help yourself. That's what you do. You're obsessed with facts and you feel the need to point it out anytime it comes up. Tom and I were having a nice conversation tell you came in how to interject your opinion of what how facts work.
Now we're going to get back into that confirmation bias which in and of itself is a negative term. Confirmation should be more like.
2 plus 2 always equal 4 because that is a fact we've already established that. We can also state that the sun is warm. Actually it's very, very hot. But it is actually irrelevant how hot the Sun is at its surface or even at several miles away or 10 million miles away. All that really matters is what the temperature is that you or I feel from the sun's Heat. We can confirm what the temperature is at our distance and cloud cover and then we could determine to call it hot cold or warm.
So as I mentioned in our first conversations it's all semantics. Someone could say the sun is not very warm today in a jokeful manner. I'm sure in this situation you would feel the need to or go ahead and correct the person and tell them no actually the sun is actually very hot it's just cooler out today.
So the fact that the sun is hot is relative to your distance from the Sun but we don't always have to State exact facts and go by exact definitions of words. That just makes life boring. Of course, for those who feel the need to be analytical and cross every T and Dot every I and probably don't use the word ain't, it makes them feel better.

Now back to cars. A trunk was a device to store things in long before cars had them.
I think they invented Hood just for cars. Theoretically it should have been called the engine compartment. Funny to that we call the hood and the front fenders the dog house.
I left an o off of the too up there just so you could notice it and correct me if you'd like to.

I heard is not necessarily an engine cover. A more accurate definition would be his sheet metal part of the car that covers the engine compartment for encloses the engine compartment. Many cars today have engine covers that are plastic on top of the engine well below the hood.
A hood it is also a bad guy.

Anyway, back to my relative world and observing things whether fact or not so I can confirm the way things work in the world so I can form my opinions and see what my personal preferences are so I can continue to do them for all the days of my life and forget about what others think, say, feel, or want to discuss my looking at different viewpoints or opinions.
Life is good.

Way too long to read but it pleases me to be able to get hundreds of words out of you with only a mere handful from me.

And THATS a fact

 

[TobyU]

Way too long to read but it pleases me to be able to get hundreds of words out of you with only a mere handful from me.

And THATS a fact

Oh, don't feel special. It's what I do. I just run on and on and on at the mouth and go from topic to topic often telling stories that sometimes have something to do with something we're talking about but often nothing at all.
And I like it like that.

 

[carymccarr]

Oh, don't feel special. It's what I do. I just run on and on and on at the mouth and go from topic to topic often telling stories that sometimes have something to do with something we're talking about but often nothing at all.
And I like it like that.

Drugs are a hell of a drug


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[TobyU]

Drugs are a hell of a drug


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Ba da da da da da da dah.... ba da da da da da da. I wanna a new drug.
Fore!

Caffeine and life are my drugs.

 

[Tom T]

and it started with "mid-engine?".....lol....

and I guess we can establish that facts don't care about feelings....

And also, I hear often today that "truth" is relative. I think truth is absolute....like our inalianble rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.....(if it come as a mid-engine car or not...)

Good night!!

 

[TobyU]

and it started with "mid-engine?".....lol....

and I guess we can establish that facts don't care about feelings....

And also, I hear often today that "truth" is relative. I think truth is absolute....like our inalianble rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.....(if it come as a mid-engine car or not...)

Good night!!

Yes but some people are just hung up on semantics and are just waiting for someone to slip up with a slight off definition use of a word or something so they can jump up and yell gotcha because it makes them feel better or Superior I think.
I do like have all or at least a lot of the facts and do you like to know the truth but how that affects each person and what result a person experiences from these can vary greatly that's where I say things are relative.
Regional areas also have a lot to do with this. This is why we get into politics and stuff there are such differences of opinion.
One quick example off the top of my head would be current unemployment numbers. It is a fact that they are at 50-year record lows or at least a fact that unemployment is down. However there are some people in certain areas or in certain industries that despite hearing this and even believing it's true, have a hard time because what they see doesn't feel that way to them. I guess two apples plus two apples equals four apples doesn't mean much if you don't have any apples.
So being a fact or being true sometimes makes no difference to some people situation. This comes into play when your trying to tell someone they should do something or believe something because of said facts or truth. In their mind they're thinking why should they bother , it will make no difference to them.
And of course the fact person belittles or insults them and tells them if they would believe the facts and do what they're told maybe things will get better for them and they would have an apple. This is not necessarily true or even often the case. Thus we end up in a vicious circle of hatred and argumentative tone.
But it never fails that the truth touter goes away feeling superior and shaking their head over theperson who they say is either an idiot or just doesn't get it.
And this little story is probably a fact but it doesn't matter though. It is simply my observation of things in the world and I can have confirmed that this does occur.

 

[carymccarr]

Yes but some people are just hung up on semantics and are just waiting for someone to slip up with a slight off definition use of a word or something so they can jump up and yell gotcha because it makes them feel better or Superior I think.
I do like have all or at least a lot of the facts and do you like to know the truth but how that affects each person and what result a person experiences from these can vary greatly that's where I say things are relative.
Regional areas also have a lot to do with this. This is why we get into politics and stuff there are such differences of opinion.
One quick example off the top of my head would be current unemployment numbers. It is a fact that they are at 50-year record lows or at least a fact that unemployment is down. However there are some people in certain areas or in certain industries that despite hearing this and even believing it's true, have a hard time because what they see doesn't feel that way to them. I guess two apples plus two apples equals four apples doesn't mean much if you don't have any apples.
So being a fact or being true sometimes makes no difference to some people situation. This comes into play when your trying to tell someone they should do something or believe something because of said facts or truth. In their mind they're thinking why should they bother , it will make no difference to them.
And of course the fact person belittles or insults them and tells them if they would believe the facts and do what they're told maybe things will get better for them and they would have an apple. This is not necessarily true or even often the case. Thus we end up in a vicious circle of hatred and argumentative tone.
But it never fails that the truth touter goes away feeling superior and shaking their head over theperson who they say is either an idiot or just doesn't get it.
And this little story is probably a fact but it doesn't matter though. It is simply my observation of things in the world and I can have confirmed that this does occur.

Facts are facts regardless of how ‘helpful’ or relevant they are to you.

Just because someone is unemployed doesn’t change the fact that unemployment is at 3.5%.

 

[TobyU]

Facts are facts regardless of how ‘helpful’ or relevant they are to you.

Just because someone is unemployed doesn’t change the fact that unemployment is at 3.5%.

Well no shit Sherlock I think I stated that. My point was if someone's in an area, industry, or region where they can't find employment it doesn't really matter to them if the employment rate is factually at 3.5% or 8.5%. To them and their area employment sucks. 8.5 cystically and factually will be much better than 3.5 but to them it does not matter. So sometimes facts don't matter..
Knowing the facts usually matters, I know it especially does to you, but facts relevance to said individual is often unimportant or irrelevant to the actual fact.
You do see this right?? Or do you just like to argue? Or conditions be damned, facts are all that matters??
Facts are important, but my point is that conditions and relevance can have a great impact, sometimes even more than the actual facts.

 

[carymccarr]

Well no shit Sherlock I think I stated that. My point was if someone's in an area, industry, or region where they can't find employment it doesn't really matter to them if the employment rate is factually at 3.5% or 8.5%. To them and their area employment sucks. 8.5 cystically and factually will be much better than 3.5 but to them it does not matter. So sometimes facts don't matter..
Knowing the facts usually matters, I know it especially does to you, but facts relevance to said individual is often unimportant or irrelevant to the actual fact.
You do see this right?? Or do you just like to argue? Or conditions be damned, facts are all that matters??
Facts are important, but my point is that conditions and relevance can have a great impact, sometimes even more than the actual facts.

What’s your point

 

[Oklahoma Jim]

This has to be the weirdest thread ever on this forum.

 

[TobyU]

What’s your point

Facts are facts, but they are not necessarily King.
Would also add that facts are not the only important thing and the decision making process. Just one of several or many.
Like one of those discussions where someone keeps pointing out a fact and saying but it's this way over and over and the other person says but that doesn't matter. This is how life works. And some situations facts matter more than others.

 

[carymccarr]

Facts are facts, but they are not necessarily King.
Would also add that facts are not the only important thing and the decision making process. Just one of several or many.
Like one of those discussions where someone keeps pointing out a fact and saying but it's this way over and over and the other person says but that doesn't matter. This is how life works. And some situations facts matter more than others.

I’m just glad you’ve changed your mind and value facts now. That’s a good thing that came out of a crazy thread.

 

[TobyU]

This has to be the weirdest thread ever on this forum.

Oh, not even close. There have been two more threads recently much more lively than this.

Now getting back to weird, I had a giant post all spoken out the other night and I dropped my phone and lost it all but here goes part of it.
Cars are weird in the ways of not using exact definitions of things in some situations but others they are so literal it is stupid.
We call it a windshield or some call it a windscreen. Windshield kind of makes sense but I've never seen little holes in it allowing the air to come through so I don't know where they get screen from. Back to definitions. Ice cream can be something that just block something or between you and the thing or something you view things on like a TV screen but it is often thought of as a screen like a screen wire.
Now we have windshield wipers, also quite literal. But then we go have a radio or a stereo or a radio that plays stereo, a master cylinder, what is it the master of and it's really not as much of a cylinder it's more of a piston. But a piston goes go in a cylinder so why did the cylinder get to be the king of the name. Most people think of it more as the fluid reservoir which is on top of the actual master cylinder or the Piston assembly but that is actually a reservoir that holds the brake fluid but most of us think of that as the master cylinder or part of it. Shouldn't be more like brake controller or hydraulic pressure actuator or brake thingy?
Then we have console. Who is upset? What is it consoling. Oh I guess that would be counselor. See the funny way English is.... and that sentence is an abomination of the English language but oh well.
Other items on cars get cool catchy names and then they try to trademark them or they do trademark the names. Cruise control, positraction, trac-lok, Sure Grip, all names for both rear wheels Drive instead of one will wonder. Differential?? Shouldn't it really be converter or Direction converter or some sort of distribution?
We were referred to cars as I having axles they don't really have but one. Or they have two split in half in the front or back.
Flywheel or flexplate, that's a good one that makes no sense.
Carburetor really should have been fuel atomizer or even injector or vapor injector would have been acceptable. Distributor is quite accurate and simple. And we have a huge mouthful for windshield washer fluid reservoir. Can they just have called that Shield juice or Shield fluid or even windfluid.

People use Dash to refer to the entire Dash which is more accurate and then just the instrument panel which has its own name. Then some people just call it the gauges.
Oh... Rocker panels. That's got to be from way back on the horse and buggy days or something. Just like running boards which are very cool okay to run up and down on but hard to turn around without stepping off and stepping back on..
Sail panel must be because it looks like a sailboat sail but it's a dumb name. Keep cars and boat terminology totally separate please. The last thing I want is port and starboard showing up.
Then some car manufacturer I assumed it was a manufacturer decided to name a pillars and B pillars just arbitrarily their boat and now it's like official definition.
Bumpers... Better not try that today. They are not exactly durable.
We call wipers wipers so why not door handles handlers.

Courtesy lights, interior lights, opera lamps. Ammeter. I've never seen one yet that showed anything but volts.
Center support bearing, commonly referred to as carrier bearing. U-joint, 4 universal joint but they don't fit everything so they're not Universal. They should have called it a t joint or a plus joint because that's what it looks like.
Resonator, if that's like almost against the definition.
Catalytic converter, now there's a good one. People have been thinking they change something in The Cadillacs for decades.
Exhaust scrubber would have been a better word. Or cleaner or emission something.

Quite the conundrum

 

[carymccarr]

Oh, not even close. There have been two more threads recently much more lively than this.

Now getting back to weird, I had a giant post all spoken out the other night and I dropped my phone and lost it all but here goes part of it.
Cars are weird in the ways of not using exact definitions of things in some situations but others they are so literal it is stupid.
We call it a windshield or some call it a windscreen. Windshield kind of makes sense but I've never seen little holes in it allowing the air to come through so I don't know where they get screen from. Back to definitions. Ice cream can be something that just block something or between you and the thing or something you view things on like a TV screen but it is often thought of as a screen like a screen wire.
Now we have windshield wipers, also quite literal. But then we go have a radio or a stereo or a radio that plays stereo, a master cylinder, what is it the master of and it's really not as much of a cylinder it's more of a piston. But a piston goes go in a cylinder so why did the cylinder get to be the king of the name. Most people think of it more as the fluid reservoir which is on top of the actual master cylinder or the Piston assembly but that is actually a reservoir that holds the brake fluid but most of us think of that as the master cylinder or part of it. Shouldn't be more like brake controller or hydraulic pressure actuator or brake thingy?
Then we have console. Who is upset? What is it consoling. Oh I guess that would be counselor. See the funny way English is.... and that sentence is an abomination of the English language but oh well.
Other items on cars get cool catchy names and then they try to trademark them or they do trademark the names. Cruise control, positraction, trac-lok, Sure Grip, all names for both rear wheels Drive instead of one will wonder. Differential?? Shouldn't it really be converter or Direction converter or some sort of distribution?
We were referred to cars as I having axles they don't really have but one. Or they have two split in half in the front or back.
Flywheel or flexplate, that's a good one that makes no sense.
Carburetor really should have been fuel atomizer or even injector or vapor injector would have been acceptable. Distributor is quite accurate and simple. And we have a huge mouthful for windshield washer fluid reservoir. Can they just have called that Shield juice or Shield fluid or even windfluid.

People use Dash to refer to the entire Dash which is more accurate and then just the instrument panel which has its own name. Then some people just call it the gauges.
Oh... Rocker panels. That's got to be from way back on the horse and buggy days or something. Just like running boards which are very cool okay to run up and down on but hard to turn around without stepping off and stepping back on..
Sail panel must be because it looks like a sailboat sail but it's a dumb name. Keep cars and boat terminology totally separate please. The last thing I want is port and starboard showing up.
Then some car manufacturer I assumed it was a manufacturer decided to name a pillars and B pillars just arbitrarily their boat and now it's like official definition.
Bumpers... Better not try that today. They are not exactly durable.
We call wipers wipers so why not door handles handlers.

Courtesy lights, interior lights, opera lamps. Ammeter. I've never seen one yet that showed anything but volts.
Center support bearing, commonly referred to as carrier bearing. U-joint, 4 universal joint but they don't fit everything so they're not Universal. They should have called it a t joint or a plus joint because that's what it looks like.
Resonator, if that's like almost against the definition.
Catalytic converter, now there's a good one. People have been thinking they change something in The Cadillacs for decades.
Exhaust scrubber would have been a better word. Or cleaner or emission something.

Quite the conundrum

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[TobyU]

I’m just glad you’ve changed your mind and value facts now. That’s a good thing that came out of a crazy thread.

You either don't comprehend what you read that I post, are confusing my post with someone else's, or simply skim through my long-winded post so quickly that you don't catch certain parts that I say.
I have changed my mind about nothing. I never once disputed that facts weren't facts with you. That was someone else in another thread.
My stance has always been that regardless of facts the perception or what one experiences which is fat for them, varies. This is where you brought in confirmation bias in the previous thread.
To me, some facts are more important than others or some facts are less variable. 2 plus 2 always equal 4 and my book ,regardless of what some people try to say. Gravity is a pretty hard fact too but there are times where things can physically seem to deceive the laws of physics and gravity seems to not be there. It really is but for all intents and purposes it's having no effect.
Albany little terms that confirmation bias and perception and all that are fine for current opinion but people tend to use them to discount are fine for current opinion but people tend to use them to discount others experiences. When you have something happen to you repeatedly or every time in your life it becomes fact to you. This can be contrary to whatever statistics or national averages are.

 

[carymccarr]

You either don't comprehend what you read that I post, are confusing my post with someone else's, or simply skim through my long-winded post so quickly that you don't catch certain parts that I say.
I have changed my mind about nothing. I never once disputed that facts weren't facts with you. That was someone else in another thread.
My stance has always been that regardless of facts the perception or what one experiences which is fat for them, varies. This is where you brought in confirmation bias in the previous thread.
To me, some facts are more important than others or some facts are less variable. 2 plus 2 always equal 4 and my book ,regardless of what some people try to say. Gravity is a pretty hard fact too but there are times where things can physically seem to deceive the laws of physics and gravity seems to not be there. It really is but for all intents and purposes it's having no effect.
Albany little terms that confirmation bias and perception and all that are fine for current opinion but people tend to use them to discount are fine for current opinion but people tend to use them to discount others experiences. When you have something happen to you repeatedly or every time in your life it becomes fact to you. This can be contrary to whatever statistics or national averages are.

You have plainly said you keep your opinions on thing regardless of facts and have no desire to expand your horizons or perspectives based on facts or the input of others.

No wall of words will change that.