My 15 ecoboost saga....

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1955moose

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I've been reading about premature stretching of 3.5 chains causing anything from rattling, to full bent valves if a chain jumps a tooth. If the problem is anything like the Expeditions from 2005-2010, then dirty oil is clogging up a cam advancer. On these 6 cylinders though stretching chains have to be either poor quality, or worn chain guides. Either way shame on Ford. With millions of these motors, it can become a nightmare. Is this stretching limited to certain years, or is all the way up to 2018?

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Sounds like FORD is all over the map on oil changes. In the Owners Manual they specify a few different recc oil types to use ... and recent news is they changed the viscosity to use. (but I never got a letter)? The Owners manual is all over the map on oil changes, but some lawyer threw in the 5000 number in there somewhere as CYA, just never go past 10,000?
Can you point out the "recent news" and where the oil changes are "all over the map" in the owners manual? The info from the owners manual you posted contradicts much of this.

Change the oil whenever the computer directs isn't confusing. 5W-30 synthetic blend or 5W-30 full synthetic ain't confusing either (to me).

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They are now blaming the timing chain failure on my oil change intervals. I do oil changes every 6,000 miles with Amsoil Signature series (the best they make). They are saying regardless of what oil is used it needs to be changed at 5,000 miles as they are seeing more and more timing chain failures due to prolonged oil changes on the 3.5's.

They are still covering it under warranty but who knows how long this one is going to take. I went ahead and ponied up the $1,900 for the premium Ford extended warranty for up to 101,000 miles....
Your dealer is full of it. Of course they are covering it under warranty, they can blame it on your oil change interval all they want, but considering Ford does NOT have a mileage-specific oil change interval unless it doesn’t get reset properly, what possible reason could they give for denying a warranty claim based on the oil change interval Ford recommends? Could this be to cover up the fact that they replaced a turbo for absolutely no reason because they said it was “rusty”? Which basically isn’t even possible on these turbos as nearly all the parts are made of material that doesn’t rust? Your dealer screwed up, and it’s easier to blame it on you and your maintenance habits than it is to accept responsibility for their mistake in not diagnosing it correctly the first time. Any claim they have to knowing about the EcoBoost was lost as soon as they showed their ignorance by blaming a rusty turbo.
There isn’t any variation on the issue of oil change interval. The 2011-18 manuals all say the same thing: change when the computer says to using 5W-30 synthetic or synthetic blend. Ford has never made recommendations to either change the interval of the oil type.
The 5K miles number is due to that being the earliest the computer will tell you to do an oil change based on usage. The 10K miles is the longest it will go. It came from the engineers, not the lawyers.
If you want to change it sooner, have at it. You aren’t wrong. I have 65K miles on a truck with 6 oil changes and my wife has 85K miles on a truck with 8. I’ve read enough about the EB to firmly believe the odds of overly long intervals causing an issue to be small.

The EcoBoost timing chain issue and matching TSB was issued for 2011-14 engines. They revised the timing chain and tensioner design with the update for the 15 F-150 they did. This is the design our trucks have, and I haven’t seen a ton of complaints about timing chains on the 15+ engines. Doesn’t mean it can’t happen, but everything has a chance of failure. The issue on the earlier engines may not have been as widespread as you’d believe based upon reading forums. You naturally hear about the failures, but extrapolating the total number of failures versus total number of engines is nearly impossible. I wouldn’t live in fear my EB is going to come apart unexpectedly some day.
 

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Can you point out the "recent news" and where the oil changes are "all over the map" in the owners manual? The info from the owners manual you posted contradicts much of this.

Change the oil whenever the computer directs isn't confusing. 5W-30 synthetic blend or 5W-30 full synthetic ain't confusing either (to me).

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The recent news was from JE07 on a post that you read and posted on several times, maybe you missed his post? He said "We are now finding out down the road some of the issue is Ford used 5W-20 weight oil in the U.S market for CAFE reasons over VCT component reliability......now they are telling us to switch to heavier oil." Of course, I have not seen the official communication from Ford. I believe everything I read on the internet.

The (2015) Owners Manual specifies two types of oil to use. Both synthetic, I thought it said 3 & included normal oil so you're a lot more right than me on that. I wonder what manual I read that in? My 2014 with 5.4 has different specifications.

I'm an Engineer and think a consistent "use this type of oil & change it after this many miles", where the type of oil used didnt change after a few years ... would be a little more stable. However, I reread the documentation and can appreciate the different types of driving that is possible with different oil requirements.

I use the on board oil monitor myself, never said that was confusing.
 
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now they are telling us to switch to heavier oil." Of course, I have not seen the official communication from Ford. I believe everything I read on the internet.
They again. I doubt there is anything from Ford.

I was under the impression this thread was about the 3.5V6 EcoBoost, not something else/

We stopped time/mileage based oil changes in the Army decades ago in things like armored vehicles and aircraft, and only change it when the oil analysis requires it. This is mission critical equipment.


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Wow, some of those labor figures sure are a lot less than I would have expected to see for turbo replacements but it's prob only because it's reimbursed hours?

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I agree with Jeff.. I estimate repair times for myself in 1/2 day increments. When I look at the location of the turbos on this thing I estimate a day per side (along with 2 bloody knuckles, one modified tool, and 3 new curse words invented). lol.
 
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Just heard back from them. They confirmed timing chain has been "significantly stretched". We're going on months of this thing being in the shop with Ford... Now they are telling me they hope to have it done by the END of next week...
 

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Wow I think your dealer is just throwing parts at it until they stumble over a fix. Why does a timing chain take over a week to fix? I know the flat rate isn’t paying for a week of labor.The parts should be available next day at dealer. Something doesn’t sound right with your dealer.
 
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