Paint Bubbling, We need EVERYONE to register a complaint! READ FORDS RESPONSE!!!

[theoldwizard1]

Are you a lawyer?

No.

If you read this entire thread, there are several cases where parts were in fact repainted on 2016MY and beyond. Applying a little logic (not that logic applies in a court of law) without that second sentence no aluminum bodied Ford product (remember the F150 has an aluminum body and their best selling and most PROFITABLE vehicle) would have ZERO warranty coverage. I think the competition would use this "lever" against Ford.

Patent law is different than a warranty. Patent law is written to be as broad as possible and cover multiple "incarnation" of an item (mechanical, electrical, hydraulic, etc) not just the original design. I would HOPE that a warranty was written to be more "plain speak" so that the consumer and the repair center don't have to hire lawyers and go to mediation to resolve an issue, like this, that is less that $1000 out of pocket for Ford.

I would like to add that today's F150/F250 and Expedition use a very different process for applying the finish. It starts with a different "pickling" process done at the aluminum sheet manufacture facility, and continues on through primer and finish coats.

 

[99WhiteC5Coupe]

A lot of interesting and frustrated comments - including mine.

One fact remains: FORD knew about the aluminum panel paint bubbling problem on the Expedition and Navigator for years, hence the multiple TSB’s that were issued and updated to include the latest model year. Instead of fixing the problem that caused the paint bubbling, FORD chose to ignore it - and some of their authorized dealers continued to give their loyal customers the runaround.

 

[RenegadeBad_Dog]

Our hood has a large size bubble on it

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[99WhiteC5Coupe]

Ford has issued a new TSB regarding aluminum panel paint bubbling, which includes the 2018 Ford Expedition: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2019/MC-10155551-9999.pdf

 

[Plati]

Who pays?

 

[theoldwizard1]

Who pays?

It is a TSB, NOT a recall.

Who pays depends on the warranty for that vehicle. Starting with the 2016MY production the the warranty was changed to add.

If aluminum body panels have corrosion or rust damage, and the damage is not the result of abnormal usage, vehicle accident, customer actions and/or extreme environmental conditions, the corrosion or rust damage repairs are covered for 5 years, unlimited miles.

 

[rwmorrisonjr]

It is a TSB, NOT a recall.

Who pays depends on the warranty for that vehicle. Starting with the 2016MY production the the warranty was changed to add: If aluminum body panels have corrosion or rust damage, and the damage is not the result of abnormal usage, vehicle accident, customer actions and/or extreme environmental conditions, the corrosion or rust damage repairs are covered for 5 years, unlimited miles.

Well, this sucks x2. My lift gate has two large bubbles under the lift glass between the opening and the CHMSL, and a small one on top of the opener trim. I'm out of warranty by two years, unless someone knows a dealer in the Memphis area that would be able to get this covered for me.

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[JExpedition07]

Only 2016 and 2017 vehicles are warranted, the warranty isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on and owners will still have to pay out of pocket.

The issue doesn’t normally rear its head for 4-6 years. They will be out of warranty by that time and ford knows it, hence no skin off their back to add that.

 

[theoldwizard1]

Only 2016 and 2017 vehicles are warranted, the warranty isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on and owners will still have to pay out of pocket.

Why do you say that ?

 

[JExpedition07]

Why do you say that ?

Do you own an Expedition? All the ones I’ve seen don’t start bubbling and flaking paint until they are 5-6 years old. They are out of warranty at this point.

We have had a few members with 2016’ trucks that have started bubbling, so ford will fix once. What happens when it ultimately comes back again? They never fixed the problems as the TSB is through 2018 for the hood corrosion and we’ve seen newer ones with the same old same old. They are putting on another defective panel and painting it. They only offer a temporary solution to a permanent problem.

 

[Dorzak]

Do you own an Expedition? All the ones I’ve seen don’t start bubbling and flaking paint until they are 5-6 years old. They are out of warranty at this point.

We have had a few members with 2016’ trucks that have started bubbling, so ford will fix once. What happens when it ultimately comes back again? They never fixed the problems as the TSB is through 2018 for the hood corrosion and we’ve seen newer ones with the same old same old. They are putting on another defective panel and painting it. They only offer a temporary solution to a permanent problem.

Mine was bubbling at 14 months from manufacture. MY2016

It took fighting tooth and nail to get it fixed. Since I had only owned it a month as a CPO, I even tried suggesting lemon. That led to a Ford Person calling back and saying they clause only applied to when it went through a panel. Said it must be salt on roads. I am in California and not in the mountains, her response was must be salt air. I pointed out I am in the Sacramento and a drive away from either snow or ocean. That is when finally they agreed to have it looked at and that led to the double sided tape test at the dealer.

 

[theoldwizard1]

Do you own an Expedition? All the ones I’ve seen don’t start bubbling and flaking paint until they are 5-6 years old.

I own a 2012 and the paint bubble after about 3 years.

The all aluminum F-series came out in 2015 and I have not heard of any problems. They use a different alloy of aluminum, with a different coating applied at the aluminum factory and different primer after the body part is stamped and assembled. The 2018 Expedition uses the same process.

 

[Muddy Bean]

So I have a different question, are there certain expeditions that DIDN’T have the paint bubbling issue? Because my 2015 has not exhibited a single bubble or issue. I inspect for it like a hawk every time I wash the truck. Not a single anything...under the liftgate lip, hood, rear surface of liftgate...nothing. Is it just a matter of time or are there some trucks that were fine. Mine was built in Kentucky.


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[Sandy M]

I have a 2014 Expedition that we purchased new almost 5 years ago. At 22,000 miles and about 2 years in we noticed the paint bubbling issue on our liftgate. I took it back to the dealership and Ford covered the repaint fix. Here we are 3 years later and 49,790 miles and it's really bad again going the entire length of the liftgate. Ford won't pay to fix it this time as they say their fix was warranteed for 12 months only. The bodyshop that did the fix say they usually have a 3 year warranty on paint (we're just under that three years by a month so we're in that window) but won't cover it because Ford paid for it so they'll honor the 12 month warranty that Ford offered. This is absolutely ridiculous. We paid $60,000 for a truck that looks like crap because of a known problem with paint that Ford can't seem to fix. Will not ever buy another one.

 

[Plati]

OK ... its a BEATER so I have nothing to lose and curiosity got the better of me. I random orbit 60 grit sanded the fugly area (and beyond) and this is result. Now I can drive it for a year and see what it looks like next year. No top coat. I "could" do the entire hood in about and hour, unlikely but possible - without even removing it. Sun is bright this morning. The paint area is specular reflection (mirror) and the 60 grit aluminum is very diffuse reflection so it might actually be easier on the eyes while driving into sun. I might go over one side with finer grit and polish just to extend the test case. A careful job of sanding (or blasting) specific areas might look a lot better than that paint bubbling nonsense.
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BTW ... in the bright sun it has a metalflake appearance with all the component colors reflecting at the grain level. Kind of cool.

OK … the one year follow-up report. This is the picture from this morning. I never even washed this BEATER over the past year, sat outside the whole time, drove all winter etc. Plenty of salt here in WNY. There is absolutely ZERO difference from last year, no corrosion. This is because the raw aluminum instantly forms a protective layer of aluminum oxide (read that in a book). The only corrosion is an artifact of from when it was coated with paint and it corroded UNDER the OEM paint. Its looks so good I plan to expand the area of raw aluminum, may even have to zap the sticker. TFF




kind of Obstruction of Corrosion ...

 

[JExpedition07]

OK … the one year follow-up report. This is the picture from this morning. I never even washed this BEATER over the past year, sat outside the whole time, drove all winter etc. Plenty of salt here in WNY. There is absolutely ZERO difference from last year, no corrosion. This is because the raw aluminum instantly forms a protective layer of aluminum oxide (read that in a book). The only corrosion is an artifact of from when it was coated with paint and it corroded UNDER the OEM paint. Its looks so good I plan to expand the area of raw aluminum, may even have to zap the sticker. TFF

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Didn’t even need clear coat huh, nice

 

[ManUpOrShutUp]

Do you own an Expedition? All the ones I’ve seen don’t start bubbling and flaking paint until they are 5-6 years old. They are out of warranty at this point.

We have had a few members with 2016’ trucks that have started bubbling, so ford will fix once. What happens when it ultimately comes back again? They never fixed the problems as the TSB is through 2018 for the hood corrosion and we’ve seen newer ones with the same old same old. They are putting on another defective panel and painting it. They only offer a temporary solution to a permanent problem.

In my experience, the problem usually starts by the third year. My Expedition started bubbling in 2012 (it's on the Carfax). My mom's 2015 Explorer started bubbling in 2016. I've even seen quite a few bubbling before they even leave the new car lot. There's a Facebook group dedicated to the problem and the other day someone posted a 2019 Explorer with the hood bubbling. :/

 

[Dorzak]

Some in the thread say F-150’s are not affected. There are pages and pages of similar posts on the F-150 forums.

 

[Muddy Bean]

Is there anyone with a turd generation expedition that doesn’t have any sign of corrosion yet on aluminum hood or liftgate? Mine doesn’t yet. Not a single sign of it. But I want to know if this is just a matter of time or if some escaped this fate. 2015 EL Limited.


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[Dorzak]

Is there anyone with a turd generation expedition that doesn’t have any sign of corrosion yet on aluminum hood or liftgate? Mine doesn’t yet. Not a single sign of it. But I want to know if this is just a matter of time or if some escaped this fate. 2015 EL Limited.
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I thought mine was clear at first, then noticed it on the tail gate edge and inside under the tailgate window.