Liftedford89
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What programmer can I use for my 2010 expy?
Also what are the pros and cons if any to having a programmer in a gas vehicle?
Also what are the pros and cons if any to having a programmer in a gas vehicle?
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what do you hope to gain?
horsepower? torque?
fuel economy?
I don't think you'll be happy with anything a programmer will do for you.
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Liftedford89
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I would like to bump my MPG up, don't really care about performance.
Unfortunately programmers do not help gas engines as much as they do on diesels. If you're trying to get an MPG increase, a programmer could help but results tend to vary from person to person. Some people say don't waste your money while others say they got a modest 1 - 2 mpg increase.
Where a tuner will help is if you have installed mods to your vehicle. In that case you can use a device such as the SCT X4 and get a custom tune to optimize your modifications. In addition, some tuners will allow you to modify idle settings, shift points, shift pressure, etc...
My personal opinion, if you have the money and aren't expecting miracles, there's nothing wrong with trying out a programmer. It may help MPG's and if you get a programmer that does datalogging, it can be a neat and informative tool. If you are thinking you'll get a guaranteed 2+ MPG and anything less isn't worth it, I would steer clear for now and maybe come back to the idea later.
If you have specific questions I know plenty on this forum have used programmers or even write their own tunes. I've personally used both a superchips flashpaq (1865 I think) and SCT X4 on my vehicle.
Where a tuner will help is if you have installed mods to your vehicle. In that case you can use a device such as the SCT X4 and get a custom tune to optimize your modifications. In addition, some tuners will allow you to modify idle settings, shift points, shift pressure, etc...
My personal opinion, if you have the money and aren't expecting miracles, there's nothing wrong with trying out a programmer. It may help MPG's and if you get a programmer that does datalogging, it can be a neat and informative tool. If you are thinking you'll get a guaranteed 2+ MPG and anything less isn't worth it, I would steer clear for now and maybe come back to the idea later.
If you have specific questions I know plenty on this forum have used programmers or even write their own tunes. I've personally used both a superchips flashpaq (1865 I think) and SCT X4 on my vehicle.
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Liftedford89
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If it only bumps it up 2MPG then its not worth it to me because those things are pretty expensive.
Thanks for the info!
Thanks for the info!
GAINMOB
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I got more than 2 mpgs from my tuner and it paid for itself in a month...I use and keep mine on gas saver to get the most mpgs and really pays on long trips to Florida and Michigan
Mr. 10K
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08T1
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For a gas engine 2mpg is a lot.
USMCBuckWild
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I pulled the trigger on the iTSX wireless from 5 Star Tuning with 3 custom tunes. The tune has shown a moderate increase in MPG, but I tend to drive a little heavy footed. I think the tunes are worth the $$. I will strongly advise against the iTSX platform; it is abhorrently slow! The SCT4 is the programmer to get, at least in my humble opinion.
I am not new to tuning (ran a 2004 Subaru Forester XT for several years at 355whp/355wtq) and am familiar with the ins and outs of tuning. From my personal experience, I would go with the standalone handheld like the SCT4 with a couple custom tunes. It is economical enough to be affordable. You can go all out and do custom tunes yourself with a laptop, but for the average person who doesn't do that level of tuning every day; its probably not worth the time and effort.
Just my $0.02
I am not new to tuning (ran a 2004 Subaru Forester XT for several years at 355whp/355wtq) and am familiar with the ins and outs of tuning. From my personal experience, I would go with the standalone handheld like the SCT4 with a couple custom tunes. It is economical enough to be affordable. You can go all out and do custom tunes yourself with a laptop, but for the average person who doesn't do that level of tuning every day; its probably not worth the time and effort.
Just my $0.02
08T1
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Good to know.
which one are you using?
jeff kushner
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Since most today are familiar with what re-programing your computer will and won't do, you already know that for the 5.4, there really isn't much you can do.
Naturally aspirated engines direct from the factories today produce a given amount of power and you can take some from here and move it up there on the rpm scale but without modifying the engine itself, that's about it on a naturally aspirated engine. For 10K that was able to pickup 2mpg, very well done! That's a solid 14% increase over what my '03 EB expy got me. I never did anything to my '99 or '03 expy's. I just drove them and accepted them for what they were....solid workhorses but gas hogs.
I REALLY like the boosted engines though. First I got a factory supercharged car a few years back, then a bike that I restored & modified and when it came time to replace the '05 and I heard the new ones were coming with the ecoboost, I jumped at the chance to drive one, then bought one.
I will probably leave it stock for a while, at least until it's paid for<LOL> but I know that there are a lot of things that can be done....Livernois for example sells a tuner for the '15-'16 models that, according to them:
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As seen on the F150, this engine has an impressive amount of room left in the calibration, our Performance tuning unlocks that hidden potential with peak vs. peak gains of over 77hp and 82 ft/lbs of torque, with maximum gains of over a staggering 95hp and 95 ft/lbs of torque on our 93 octane performance tuning. In addition to these powerful performance tunes, we also have towing specific tunes available for performance, without sacrificing the utility these vehicles are designed for.
Features:
Gains of over 84hp and 84tq on your otherwise stock vehicle
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Those are huge numbers coming from one of the best companies out there....but of course everything has a price in terms of wear & reliability so while I wait for a year or two, I'll be watching to see what issues arise from the guys that have installed their programs.
jeff
Naturally aspirated engines direct from the factories today produce a given amount of power and you can take some from here and move it up there on the rpm scale but without modifying the engine itself, that's about it on a naturally aspirated engine. For 10K that was able to pickup 2mpg, very well done! That's a solid 14% increase over what my '03 EB expy got me. I never did anything to my '99 or '03 expy's. I just drove them and accepted them for what they were....solid workhorses but gas hogs.
I REALLY like the boosted engines though. First I got a factory supercharged car a few years back, then a bike that I restored & modified and when it came time to replace the '05 and I heard the new ones were coming with the ecoboost, I jumped at the chance to drive one, then bought one.
I will probably leave it stock for a while, at least until it's paid for<LOL> but I know that there are a lot of things that can be done....Livernois for example sells a tuner for the '15-'16 models that, according to them:
**********************
As seen on the F150, this engine has an impressive amount of room left in the calibration, our Performance tuning unlocks that hidden potential with peak vs. peak gains of over 77hp and 82 ft/lbs of torque, with maximum gains of over a staggering 95hp and 95 ft/lbs of torque on our 93 octane performance tuning. In addition to these powerful performance tunes, we also have towing specific tunes available for performance, without sacrificing the utility these vehicles are designed for.
Features:
Gains of over 84hp and 84tq on your otherwise stock vehicle
********************
Those are huge numbers coming from one of the best companies out there....but of course everything has a price in terms of wear & reliability so while I wait for a year or two, I'll be watching to see what issues arise from the guys that have installed their programs.
jeff
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