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Tomringler

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I am thinking of getting a new expedition but I don't know if I should go with the 5.4 or ecoboost engine. I want to get your guys option

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I know but I just heard that they have a problem with carbon build up on the intake valves and the only way to fix it is to replace the heads

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I believe the ecoboost is the only option for a '15 If you want a 5.4 your gonna have to find a '14
 

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I know but I just heard that they have a problem with carbon build up on the intake valves and the only way to fix it is to replace the heads

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I haven't heard that one. But then I'm not following the ecoboost that closely. But as was mentioned twice now, if you get a 2015 you can only get the ecoboost.
 

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I know but I just heard that they have a problem with carbon build up on the intake vales and the only way to fix it is to replace the heads

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Carbon buildup on the intake values can happen on any gasoline engine (I would imagine diesel too but not sure) . It can be fixed by pulling the heads, pulling the intake values and cleaning them.
 

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Carbon buildup on the intake values can happen on any gasoline engine (I would imagine diesel too but not sure) . It can be fixed by pulling the heads, pulling the intake values and cleaning them.

Port fuel injection has minimal build up on the intake valves because the fuel washes it off since its injected just ahead of intake valve.

The ecoboost has direct injection (the injector is located inside the cylinder vs the intake port). This has a great advantage of being able to control the combustion event and ward off detonation due to the timing of the fuel being injected and generally produces more power than port fuel injection.

The issue is any oil that goes through the intake via the pcv system can accumulate on the intake valves. This is true of any direct injected motor.

That said I have 52,000 miles on my Taurus sho with no noticeable ill effects. I know it can be an issue but do not know that it has been reported that often. They are working on methods to clean the intake valves while heads are still in the motor with direct injected motors.. If I can find it I will post. They basically media blast them through the intake after removing the plenum while the valve is closed of course.
 

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Seems to affect the cylinders closest to the pvc inlet(2 and 3 I believe). Wonder if a catch can setup would help here?
 

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If you pay attention you will notice many new vehicles coming with a GDI badge on different makes of vehicles. (Gasoline direct injected)

The ecoboost is GDI though ford does not use the GDI badging.

Ford also recommends against using any chemical cleaners through the intake because the debree and/or the heat it creates can damage the turbos
 
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thank you all for replying I am just trying to figure if I should stay with the 5.4 and deal with plug issues or go to the ecoboost. Right now I have a 2006 expedition eb with the 5.4 and want to get another on but this time it is going to be the El version

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My wife had me trade in our 2006 limited for a 2012 limited and it is a different ride - basically same motor that's been around quite some time. It's worth driving a gen 3 before the new 2015. Going to save a bit of money buying slightly used too! I drive a FSI v8 in my audi and it requires occasional valve cleaning (decarbonizing). The spark plugs on our 06 were original at 97k and I wasn't looking forward to changing those! Ford changed over from the 2 piece plug sometime in 08.
 

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Tomringler,

The carbon buildup problem you speak of in the ecoboost is due to driver error. These engines are like the new diesels as far build. They are purposely built to work. So when you drive them on short trips with a soft foot, carbon will build like said before in any engine. Boosted engines see the effects more drastically than NA. So every now and then take it on the freeway and drop the hammer on the on ramp, this will blow all the carbon build up out of the tail pipes. One more thing, lower octane levels mean increased carbon in the powertrain, lesson I learned the hard way. These engines may say they can run on 85 minimum, but I wouldn't run it consistently on that octane. I have an 07 Navi with the 5.4 and when I bought it the tailpipe was black inside which means the previous owner ran the lower grade of fuel. I only run 91+, which is about $5 difference between 85 and 91 per fill up. My tailpipe is clean inside, no knocking from the engine, oil comes out caramel at 5K miles instead of black (full synthetic), and when I tickle the skinny pedal the engines sings me a sweet melody at 91 octane. I would not hesitate to get the ecoboost, I would just open the throttle once a week to make sure there is no junk in the engine.

Sorry for the long post, but hope this helps.
 

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Slick07, Everything you wrote makes perfect sense in a fuel port injected engine. All great advice for the Ecoboost too. However, the problem with the Ecoboost is it is direct injection into the combustion chamber....the intake valves are dry, fuel never touches them to flush the carbon. There has been talk of using walnut shells and blast the carbon off each valve while the heads are still on the engine. I think careful use of spray direct injection cleaner would be wise every 20-30K, follow the directions on the can. 3K oil changes with Motorcraft or an aftermarket synthetic oil is very important. Never go by the oil life gauge.
 
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