Stealth vs Stealth Performance

[LokiWolf]

From the preliminary tech sheet provided by Ford. King Ranch, Limited and Platinum will share 400hp.

Horsepower (XL, XLT, STX) 380 @ 5,000 rpm, 87 Octane 380 @ 5,000 rpm, 87 Octane
Torque (XL, XLT, STX) 470 lb.-ft. @ 2,250 rpm 470 lb.-ft. @ 2,250 rpm
Horsepower (LIMITED, KR, PLATINUM) 400 @ 5,000 rpm, 93 Octane 400 @ 5,000 rpm, 93 Octane
Torque (LIMITED, KR, PLATINUM) 480 lb.-ft. @ 2,250 rpm 480 lb.-ft. @ 2,250 rpm
Horsepower (TIMBERLINE, STEALTH) 440 @ 5,000 rpm, 93 Octane 440 @ 5,000 rpm, 93 Octane
Torque (TIMBERLINE, STEALTH) 510 lb.-ft. @ 2,250 rpm 510 lb.-ft. @ 2,250 rpm

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Yeah, the Octane next to the power concerns me...because of 2 things.

1) Ford does all of its power ratings on all of its vehicles using a standard. That Fuel(Notice I did not say gas) has an Octane rating of 92
2) If they did indeed rate the lower models on 87, then that means they basically get the same HP and probably more torque than the middle models on 93 based on documented data of the power differences(Stock) of the 2nd gen 3.5 on 87 vs 93.

Also for clarity, and the 380 vs 400 is the EXACT same motor, only a factory tune difference.

 

[Drive a Golf]

I hadn't seen that tech sheet before, so thanks for sharing.

 

[Jtsford1]

I also ordered the 303a package. I'm also pretty sure it has red calipers too. Just not 440hp. I got the dark matter grey. Thinking of changing color though. Not sure if it's too late?

 

[USKflt]

I also ordered the 303a package. I'm also pretty sure it has red calipers too. Just not 440hp. I got the dark matter grey. Thinking of changing color though. Not sure if it's too late?

Per the order guide I have, red calipers are only on the 304a.

 

[lv2drive]

Per the order guide I have, red calipers are only on the 304a.

dumb question perhaps but -

are the red calipers actually - you know - performance? or do they have upgraded pads - or upgraded “anything” on the braking system?

or are they just....

red...?

i might be surprised - but something tells me they’re just red so people can tell you ponied up for the 304a

 

[dlcorbett]

I thinknits just appearance. No media material talks about 304 having upgraded brakes.

 

[Polo08816]

The only thing that really excited me about the 304A was the HP. I just couldn’t justify $5k after tax for 40 more HP. So we ended up ordering a 303A after much deliberation. I believe the sport tuned CCD is the same between the two per the guide.

They both come with Sport Tuned Suspension. The CCD is an option. Exactly how big of a difference does it make ? I'm mostly combination of city/ highway never off road.

What exactly is the difference between the sport tuned suspension and regular suspension?

Is there an increase in spring rate? Is it just a different in the shock/strut?

 

[Polo08816]

The only thing that really excited me about the 304A was the HP. I just couldn’t justify $5k after tax for 40 more HP. So we ended up ordering a 303A after much deliberation. I believe the sport tuned CCD is the same between the two per the guide.

I think the different differential ratio makes a difference as well.

 

[dlcorbett]

What exactly is the difference between the sport tuned suspension and regular suspension?

Is there an increase in spring rate? Is it just a different in the shock/strut?

Noone knows at this moment, if hasn't been made available prior to 22. Just going off my head, it maybe a thicker stabilizer bar, and would feel like the current ccd trucks in sport mode.

 

[MattG]

I'm waiting on the sport tuned suspension detail before I commit to a 2022. Want to know if it will help suspension feel enough to warrant to upcharge. The HP increase is nice and all, but we only run 87 and my wife drives the Expy mostly so the suspension detail will be key in the decision.

 

[Deadman]

If sport tuned suspension is anything like that 18 Navigator black label I had, there will be some unhappy owners. It was so stiff that it jumped sideways on the freeway on the cement seams because it was stiff as a board. It wheel literally axle hopped and the rear tires came free of the road surface and it stepped sideways on every bump. My CCD expedition never ever does that. Even in conserve mode the Lincoln rode stiff and rough in my opinion.
I'd test drive one before I committed $80K to it! Just trying to help....

 

[Polo08816]

If sport tuned suspension is anything like that 18 Navigator black label I had, there will be some unhappy owners. It was so stiff that it jumped sideways on the freeway on the cement seams because it was stiff as a board. It wheel literally axle hopped and the rear tires came free of the road surface and it stepped sideways on every bump. My CCD expedition never ever does that. Even in conserve mode the Lincoln rode stiff and rough in my opinion.
I'd test drive one before I committed $80K to it! Just trying to help....

Are you sure that rear shock wasn't defective and would not compress anymore?

 

[Deadman]

Are you sure that rear shock wasn't defective and would not compress anymore?

It wasn't. The shocks were inspected for leaks by me, and if they have any electronic failures, the check engine light comes on. They only had like 19,000 miles on them as well.
I followed the Navigator down the freeway while my wife drove it. I was in my expedition. I could visually see daylight under each rear tire on the seams and bridge bumps and such. I could even see it jump sideways, and I knew she had to correct the wheel. We were on speaker phone talking about what she felt vs what I saw. It was just rough as hell. It literally made your internals hurt after a 2 hr drive getting beat up in it. Thats honestly why we sold it. The engine replacement was done well, but it just rode like a dumptruck.

 

[CGalex]

The only thing that really excited me about the 304A was the HP. I just couldn’t justify $5k after tax for 40 more HP. So we ended up ordering a 303A after much deliberation. I believe the sport tuned CCD is the same between the two per the guide.

same here. I just could not justify a $5000 bump for 40 HP/TORQUE and 10 more speakers. I am good with fact that if I was racing a limited with 304A, they will beat me off the line by a second or less and after 12 speakers what is 10 more gonna do. I have a dedicated UHD/4K Home Theatre with a killer Dolby Atmos surround sound and it only has 9 speakers and a sub so not sure where 22 are going in a SUV?

 

[rd618]

same here. I just could not justify a $5000 bump for 40 HP/TORQUE and 10 more speakers. I am good with fact that if I was racing a limited with 304A, they will beat me off the line by a second or less and after 12 speakers what is 10 more gonna do. I have a dedicated UHD/4K Home Theatre with a killer Dolby Atmos surround sound and it only has 9 speakers and a sub so not sure where 22 are going in a SUV?

Everywhere. My rear view mirror has speakers! This was a "hold my beer" moment when someone said "where you going to put 10 more speakers".
Although, I think the Caddy has like 30 or something, they put 2 in each headrest too, ford cheaped out and didn't put any in my headrests.

 

[Rob6805]

Here are the details for the B&O system in the Expedition.

Ford Expedition

corporate.bang-olufsen.com

 

[MattG]

The SPP on 91+ you can really feel the ~4.9 sec 0-60.

This thing is a rocket, especially for its girth.

 

[sdinwiddie85]

The SPP on 91+ you can really feel the ~4.9 sec 0-60.

This thing is a rocket, especially for its girth.

My experience has been same as yours. It’s the heaviest vehicle I have ever owned but also the fastest accelerating. Doesn’t mess around getting to 60.

 

[rd618]

My experience has been same as yours. It’s the heaviest vehicle I have ever owned but also the fastest accelerating. Doesn’t mess around getting to 60.

She’s quick. Gets to 80 without any hesitation.
I haven’t driven the new grand wagoner, but I think that’s the only other 7-8 seater that tows 9k+ with this much power. I have to double check the GLS AMG stats, but think it’s 7200 lb towing.

 

[22stealthexpo]

Just received my SPP and can confirm it's fast and a blast to drive, especially in Sport mode. Feels like a big V8 under the hood. I did get the sport tuned suspension with CCD and don't find it harsh at all. Ride is great and body roll well controlled. Steering feel is a little numb but that's well known.