strut questions.

[max78]

Hi all. Planning a 3200 mile trip at the end of the year so im getting a parts liat together for the Expy. Currently im trying to figure out what shocks to go with.

I have an 09 Expy EL.

I wanted to go with they KYB strut assembly and simply swap them in. However i cant find the rears for a reasonable price and rock auto is sold out. The. I also dont know if they are for the EL or not, there is no clarification.

I dont want Bilsteins because they provide a harsher ride quality in my experiance. We have very bad roads, and live down a bumpy dirt road.

This trip the truck will be loaded up and i kind of wanted to get a set of self levling struts but it seems like only Motorcraft makes those, and they dont last long from what i have been reading.

Anyone have any thoughts on struts?

Im leaning towards just getting KYB struts and just assembling them myself.

If anyone has thoughts, opinions, and most importantly experiance i would love to hear from you.

 

[Highpockets77]

I bought the full Monroe assembly from Amazon for my 12. I’m pleased with them so far but mine isn’t an EL.

 

[07navi]

I'm not a fan of hyped up high priced overly stiff and adjustable shocks and I would bet 99% of the adjustable ones get set one time and forgotten. I will probably go with Monroes and borrow a spring compressor from the auto parts store so I can save money, have a decent ride , and not worry about the spring rate changing every time I change a shock.

 

[inmanlanier]

This subject of Bilsteins has been discussed before - https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/are-bilsteins-really-worth-it.42412/page-3#post-381220. More than one of us noted no significant 'harshness' from our Bilsteins.

 

[grdsman]

Hi all. Planning a 3200 mile trip at the end of the year so im getting a parts liat together for the Expy. Currently im trying to figure out what shocks to go with.

I have an 09 Expy EL.

I wanted to go with they KYB strut assembly and simply swap them in. However i cant find the rears for a reasonable price and rock auto is sold out. The. I also dont know if they are for the EL or not, there is no clarification.

I dont want Bilsteins because they provide a harsher ride quality in my experiance. We have very bad roads, and live down a bumpy dirt road.

This trip the truck will be loaded up and i kind of wanted to get a set of self levling struts but it seems like only Motorcraft makes those, and they dont last long from what i have been reading.

Anyone have any thoughts on struts?

Im leaning towards just getting KYB struts and just assembling them myself.

If anyone has thoughts, opinions, and most importantly experiance i would love to hear from you.

I have rear Nivomats in my garage, still assembled, if you want them.


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[07navi]

I'll take some Monroe regular duty shocks only without the spring rate possibly altering any day and they should work fine until I sell it in the future.

 

[max78]

This subject of Bilsteins has been discussed before - https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/are-bilsteins-really-worth-it.42412/page-3#post-381220. More than one of us noted no significant 'harshness' from our Bilsteins.

Ya, I have seen that a time or 3. . . I still get notifications for it. And the consensious is, if you stay on good roads they are great, but if you travel on bad roads or dirt roads with washboard they are terrible. I have a lot of experience with Bilstein stocks and everyone's thought align perfectly with my experience. Bilsteins = harsh ride on bad roads.

I have rear Nivomats in my garage, still assembled, if you want them.


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Thanks but I just went ahead and got some KYBs. I had Monroes on a couple of my vehicles and they didn't last long before they started leaking, so I'm hesitant to use them.


I guess I didn't clarify very well. I didn't want to get a shock designed for the standard length Expy and install it on my EL. wasn't sure if the KYB were for EL or not. I dont think they are, but im going to give them a shot.

I see Motorcraft has Shocks for both the 119" wheelbase and the EL 131" wheelbase. but there are stock issues with the on rockauto and the local dealers want $297 per strut (Strut only, not installed). . . .

I will post my results with the KYB struts when I get them installed.

 

[Aspen03]

I've never ran KYB on a truck but I've had them on a few cars in the past. I've ran the GR2, Excel-G, and AGX. All performed significantly better than stock. Generally a firmer ride but that was my intention in all instances. I dod not do the strut plus assemblies and chose different springs. The GR2, predecessor to the Excel-G was probably the softest, was on a Camry but slightly more stiff/responsive than factory. The others were on GM W body platform vehicles. The AGX was like riding on rails but that was the intent as it was built for track duty. Mileage wise I didnt get too high before any of the vehicles moved on, roughly 35-40k on the camry. They held up well. If I were to replace struts on my expedition I would likely put KYB at the top of my list based on past experience.

 

[TDBDLB]

Hi all. Planning a 3200 mile trip at the end of the year so im getting a parts liat together for the Expy. Currently im trying to figure out what shocks to go with.

I have an 09 Expy EL.

I wanted to go with they KYB strut assembly and simply swap them in. However i cant find the rears for a reasonable price and rock auto is sold out. The. I also dont know if they are for the EL or not, there is no clarification.

I dont want Bilsteins because they provide a harsher ride quality in my experiance. We have very bad roads, and live down a bumpy dirt road.

This trip the truck will be loaded up and i kind of wanted to get a set of self levling struts but it seems like only Motorcraft makes those, and they dont last long from what i have been reading.

Anyone have any thoughts on struts?

Im leaning towards just getting KYB struts and just assembling them myself.

If anyone has thoughts, opinions, and most importantly experiance i would love to hear from you.

 

[TDBDLB]

My 2010 Limited 4x4 rear original OEM 170K, handles great tows 4K boat well.

 

[nonsense]

I have run Bilsteins on my 2011 EL for 5 years now. They replaced OEM blown-in-the-rear struts, which was like driving on marshmallow roads. The OEM junk provided sea sickness in the back seat, and a downright vomit inducing experience in the 3rd row. The reason I chose the Bils is the stiffer ride. I tow a 25' camper and at least once a year do 12 hour days. Stiffer is nice in those situations, but they can be a bit rough on unpaved roads. It's a trade off I'm ok with because I'm on smooth roads most of the time. Though harsh they're still fine on gravel roads and I've never really complained, though I don't like mushy "comfort" suspensions anyway. I think the KYBs will be a decent middle of the road option though. They're typically a bit stiffer than OEM, but not harsh. I've had KYB on other cars and if I hadn't gone with the Bils I would have done KYB.

As for installation, if you're doing it yourself try to find a spring compressor that's bigger than the standard ones you borrow from auto parts shops, or maybe even take the set down to a local shop and give them a few bucks to let you use their bug strut compressor. I used the little one from autozone, and while it did the job it really didn't fit well over the big front springs. The spring wire diameter was too big to seat perfectly in the compressor and you couldn't clip on the safeties. If one of these lets go when your hands are in there it could get messy.

The kind I used
https://www.autozone.com/loan-a-too...macpherson-strut-spring-compressor/555557_0_0

Watch this video starting at 3:05 to see what I'm talking about. When he has them compressed it looks like they're going to bend


If I had to do it again on this vehicle I'd seriously consider just buying the whole shock, spring, and top mount assembly. It's a pretty easy job if you do that.

 

[07navi]

I've never ran KYB on a truck but I've had them on a few cars in the past. I've ran the GR2, Excel-G, and AGX. All performed significantly better than stock. Generally a firmer ride but that was my intention in all instances. I dod not do the strut plus assemblies and chose different springs. The GR2, predecessor to the Excel-G was probably the softest, was on a Camry but slightly more stiff/responsive than factory. The others were on GM W body platform vehicles. The AGX was like riding on rails but that was the intent as it was built for track duty. Mileage wise I didnt get too high before any of the vehicles moved on, roughly 35-40k on the camry. They held up well. If I were to replace struts on my expedition I would likely put KYB at the top of my list based on past experience.

That's why I don't like high priced shocks, they make them all too stiff so you think they are improved which is just a matter of tweaking the valve inside.

 

[07navi]

I have run Bilsteins on my 2011 EL for 5 years now. They replaced OEM blown-in-the-rear struts, which was like driving on marshmallow roads. The OEM junk provided sea sickness in the back seat, and a downright vomit inducing experience in the 3rd row. The reason I chose the Bils is the stiffer ride. I tow a 25' camper and at least once a year do 12 hour days. Stiffer is nice in those situations, but they can be a bit rough on unpaved roads. It's a trade off I'm ok with because I'm on smooth roads most of the time. Though harsh they're still fine on gravel roads and I've never really complained, though I don't like mushy "comfort" suspensions anyway. I think the KYBs will be a decent middle of the read option though. They're typically a bit stiffer than OEM, but not harsh. I've had KYB on other cars and if I hadn't gone with the Bils I would have done KYB.

As for installation, if you're doing it yourself try to find a spring compressor that's bigger than the standard ones you borrow from auto parts shops, or maybe even take the set down to a local shop and give them a few bucks to let you use their bug strut compressor. I used the little one from autozone, and while it did the job it really didn't fit well over the big front springs. The spring wire diameter was too big to seat perfectly in the compressor and you couldn't clip on the safeties. If one of these lets go when your hands are in there it could get messy.

The kind I used
https://www.autozone.com/loan-a-too...macpherson-strut-spring-compressor/555557_0_0

Watch this video starting at 3:05 to see what I'm talking about. When he has them compressed it looks like they're going to bend


If I had to do it again on this vehicle I'd seriously consider just buying the whole shock, spring, and top mount assembly. It's a pretty easy job if you do that.

Not all auto stores have the same tools and I won't take a chance on changing the spring rate with complete units. You are throwing away good springs just for the shocks, and that guy making the video is a sleazebag, I never watch him plus he is a crummy "mechanic".

 

[nonsense]

Not all auto stores have the same tools and I won't take a chance on changing the spring rate with complete units. You are throwing away good springs just for the shocks, and that guy making the video is a sleazebag, I never watch him plus he is a crummy "mechanic".

This is true, I was just looking and some of the side by side pics of supposedly "direct replacement" shock/spring combos it's obvious that the springs are completely different. So unless my springs were rusty and/or saggy (not really a problem where I live) I'd probably keep the OEM spring and take the assemblies down to a shop with a good professional compressor. Otherwise I'd go with a high end full replacement that I know is either OEM spring rate or better

Something like these are so much safer and faster for changing springs
https://www.jbtools.com/jack-tech-s...OkkCGJCUUIc0IS5p9oBVcPEXe5lQH2GhoC91UQAvD_BwE

https://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/806...LAm7KODYo516AF1y0vnLCaEQDHqf7BWxoCTRsQAvD_BwE

 

[07navi]

Those compressors don't scare me, when I need shocks I will borrow the compressors from O'Reilly's or maybe buy some cheap ones if I don't like the way those look.

 

[nonsense]

Those compressors don't scare me, when I need shocks I will borrow the compressors from O'Reilly's or maybe buy some cheap ones if I don't like the way those look.

I own the autozone set I linked to in the first post and have used them on many different vehicles without issue. They're fine most of the time, even the rears on the Expy were a breeze. Have you changed springs on the 4x4 Expy or F150? These springs are very thick and take a lot of pressure to move them enough to remove the caps. The ends of the compressor don't actually fit and are in danger of popping off. The potential energy in those MFs is really high, not something I'd want to do again.

 

[Matticus]

FWIW, I put monroes on my 12 EL about a 1.5 years ago. Ride is great