Tuners or chips 1999 Expy
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american steel
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with that old of a vehicle you're wasting your time on a tune. if you had the engine rebuilt and with CAI and headers then it would best to have a tune although tunes don't do a whole lot.
mileage is also another key factor.
mileage is also another key factor.
Bowesmobile
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Of course it will help. Maybe not as much as in other vehicles. But its not a waste like american steel would have you believe. If it gets you another 1-2 miles a gallon or 5-10 hp. Its worth it right? Then when you add a CAI or exhaust it will improve things even more! Its all about how you want to build it.
That's what I was thinking. If I get better gas mileage its worth basically in like 10 fill ups ill pay the tuner off... I am basically looking for better towing performance. Ive owned many Fords and they just need more balls in the mid range. They just don't have a lot of guts. Have you installed a tuner? What kind if so?
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Im also looking into this as an option, I have been told that my expedition would be a good candidate since I have 3" cat back muffler / resonator delete on my truck and the gotts mod which is essentially a poor mans CAI. Im just looking to improve fuel economy as through the winter in 4wd I was averaging 7-8mpg. I am wondering what kind of mpg gains I would get out of this. I am going to Florida this summer and I would love to see 16mpg on the highway. last year in a short trip to MO I only got about 12-13mpg highway.
american steel
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the 4.6ls had no power or torque down low and most of it was high the 5.4l made all torque way down low but no power at mid range.
tunes on these older vehicles wont help you sorry they wont! just saying it is your money but experience tells me they don't offer gains. and 6HP isn't something noticeable. your best off using a CAI on your truck/suv get more air in. your engine mileage will also have negative effects on tuners.
Mediamonkey11
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Plenty of people report favorable results from tuners, as in MPG increases, firmer shifts, lower trans temps, and improved towing performance. Just searc for "tuners" and you'll get the results you're looking for.
BAD RONALD
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If you do a search you will also find plenty of people who have seen bigfoot or been abducted by a UFO.
A chip will probably do little harm other than separate you from your money and likely do little good.
A chip will probably do little harm other than separate you from your money and likely do little good.
Mediamonkey11
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You for real? I've seen plenty of people reporting on how much they've gained with tuners/programmers (not chips). No need to come off that way...
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GAINMOB
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they made tunes then for the trucks so to say that its a waste is inaccurate...the companies still have the tunes for those that have older vehicles...I bought my tune 7 yrs later and have been very pleased...I DOUBLED the days needs for fill up and increased my mpg's from 17 to 22
american steel
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facts are the facts that's life unfortunately people buy these tunes because they think it will give them instant Horsepower (32HP)? yeah right more like 9HP if that.
tunes are only best when paired with a CAI and a free flowing exhaust/headers.
do tunes move more air?
putting a tune on old ford vehicle is a waste of time and money. you think you're going to get better fuel economy? not happening. again that's life.
if you want better fuel economy more horsepower buy the CAI tune and headers with a high flow cat. run your engine with sea foam (a little bit) do this 3 times in 2 months. restore compression and head air flow by dissolving a lot of the carbon build up (this is why these engines lose power)
if you do this you will notice gains. ive tested 2 tunes on my 2010 navigator before I installed n MMR big bore 5.8 block, I only gained 9HP on engine that only 300 miles on it.
this notion of tunes giving you better fuel economy firmer shifts and more power is exactly that a mere notion just like religion.
I wouldn't be typing this if It weren't true.
again it is your money do what ever you want but from experience and as a custom car builder if I see a question about tunes rising I will be there to dismiss the claims. that's life don't know what else to tell you. rebuild your engine
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Mediamonkey11
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Sure, rebuild if you want to spend stupid money and go through immense hassle, go for it. You sound like a glutton for unnecessary punishment in more levels than just an automotive one.
No one said thus far that the op shouldn't need to open their intake/exhaust up, in fact, I'd very much recommend that as well.
Maybe for the money vs. gains the tuners don't yield quite as much as other things, but hp aside, I know - from experience - how much of a difference proper/improved transmission mapping can and will completely change the driving experience and increase mileage, not to mention seriously increase towing confidence and reliability.
Though I cannot say for sure as I've not done it on my expedition, over the course of ownership I've seen many people on this forum - who speak from experience - report those exact benefits. No crazy hp increase, mainly mpg's and transmission shift change.
Sure these can be gained also by going into the computer oneself and changing some things but not everyone is willing to take that risk or is able to, they'd rather spend the couple bucks on a tuner like, oh, I dunno, and Edge or something (a tuner several people on here have and love).
I know from personal experience on other vehicles that tubers can make a big difference in a vehicles driving dynamics on more than just a horsepower level, though they did increase hp a bit.
1st gen's are very different than your 2010 in terms of power train and driving dynamics. So a change made to both can and will yield FAR different results to either.
Just because you are able to get stupid hp increases from tearing down and rebuilding motors doesn't mean everybody else HAS to or is willing to go the same route if they're ok with the moderate gains from a tuner.
Not everyone has a nice shop, unlimited funds, no job, unlimited free time, or so on. Not to say you do, you might just want to get in touch more with the rest of society who have different obligations/priorities than you might have before you start barking out orders and neglecting to do your reading.
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No one said thus far that the op shouldn't need to open their intake/exhaust up, in fact, I'd very much recommend that as well.
Maybe for the money vs. gains the tuners don't yield quite as much as other things, but hp aside, I know - from experience - how much of a difference proper/improved transmission mapping can and will completely change the driving experience and increase mileage, not to mention seriously increase towing confidence and reliability.
Though I cannot say for sure as I've not done it on my expedition, over the course of ownership I've seen many people on this forum - who speak from experience - report those exact benefits. No crazy hp increase, mainly mpg's and transmission shift change.
Sure these can be gained also by going into the computer oneself and changing some things but not everyone is willing to take that risk or is able to, they'd rather spend the couple bucks on a tuner like, oh, I dunno, and Edge or something (a tuner several people on here have and love).
I know from personal experience on other vehicles that tubers can make a big difference in a vehicles driving dynamics on more than just a horsepower level, though they did increase hp a bit.
1st gen's are very different than your 2010 in terms of power train and driving dynamics. So a change made to both can and will yield FAR different results to either.
Just because you are able to get stupid hp increases from tearing down and rebuilding motors doesn't mean everybody else HAS to or is willing to go the same route if they're ok with the moderate gains from a tuner.
Not everyone has a nice shop, unlimited funds, no job, unlimited free time, or so on. Not to say you do, you might just want to get in touch more with the rest of society who have different obligations/priorities than you might have before you start barking out orders and neglecting to do your reading.
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american steel
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apparently you don't comprehend very well. I gave him options on what he can do to further improve his setup/vehicle and I threw in the option rebuilding his engine but clearly you think that is the only viable answer to his question for improved HP and fuel economy and to make his SUV better.. you think I don't know that not many people can throw out 2k for a rebuild? or more?
unfortunately I don't think you read all of the comments on this page judging by your reply.
but I will enlighten you on what I wrote
sea foam 3 times 1 one month 2 times the next month use a little amount each time this process will dissolve a lot of the carbon built up on the combustion chambers and on top of the pistons (loss of power) restores compression.
tunes only work best on a CAI and headers/free flowing exhaust.
tunes don't yield much benefits if you're only looking for firmer shifts go for it but still tunes wont yield much in shifting either!
these engines cam with poor power especially the 4.6l I also stated judging mileage a rebuild might and will be the best answer.
does a tune offer more air flow into the engine??????
even on a rebuilt 5.4l an edge or sct tuner gave very little gains.
what I gave was a reality check you must have some kind insecurity issues going inside your head over god knows what but don't bring it on here. you think I was barking orders? who the hell are you? you're getting mad over nothing! nice job
my obligations are to my business and my well being, and to make money building cars, high performance engines I also own a hauling company again to make money and a Misc metals fab shop again my only obligation and priority is to make money.
as an engine builder (which I have a lot more experience with ford engines than any one on this forum does) I know the facts and realities this is why I stated what I stated regarding tuners. THATS LIFE GET OVER IT its not my fault people on these auto forums regardless of brand are persuaded by an ill notion that tuners will magically net you awesome horse power while increasing fuel economy while. tuners don't offer much fluid pressure change inside the transmission this is why they don't offer much benefits in shifting either.
I have no obligations to this forum.
I have no priorities to this forum.
stop getting your ******** chapped over dumb stuff kids act like that. are you a kid?
OPTIONS that's what I gave him
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Mediamonkey11
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The thing I think is pretty funny is I never said he shouldn't do all those things, you might want to try and reread the very first comment you posted.
But that's ok, I might not be comprehending well, or maybe it's my computer. But either way, I'm sure you're going to be right.
Done. Move on.
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OP: As AmSteel says, yes, a good seafoam regiment, CAI, and freer flowing exhaust will make a noticeable difference. I know because I've done them and love them.
That being said, do not shy away from a tuner/programmer as some would have you believe, please.
Here're a couple threads found by a quick search:
http://www.expeditionforum.com/f42/edge-tuner-16664/
http://www.expeditionforum.com/f42/anyone-running-edge-programmer-17451/
But that's ok, I might not be comprehending well, or maybe it's my computer. But either way, I'm sure you're going to be right.
Done. Move on.
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OP: As AmSteel says, yes, a good seafoam regiment, CAI, and freer flowing exhaust will make a noticeable difference. I know because I've done them and love them.
That being said, do not shy away from a tuner/programmer as some would have you believe, please.
Here're a couple threads found by a quick search:
http://www.expeditionforum.com/f42/edge-tuner-16664/
http://www.expeditionforum.com/f42/anyone-running-edge-programmer-17451/
before you start messing with tuners this engine needs to be tuned up and gotten into a good state of running condition. from your mileage indications it sounds like this engine isn't running in top condition.I would do a compression test. Is the check engine light on? I agree with American steel on doing the sea foam treatments.
american steel
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damn computer isn't typing all of my letters.
you were implying that I said he has to rebuild his engine. and you went further ahead and cried that not every one has a lot of money blah blah blah.
I did read your reply very well
Mediamonkey11
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Seriously? --- http://www.expeditionforum.com/f42/tuners-chips-1999-expy-26501/#post216287 As I said, you just have to be right.
If you care to continue this charade any further, at least the content not applicable to the topic put forth by the OP, I'd be willing to oblige via PM. I doubt this thread needs anymore meaningless point proving or personal (as personal as the internet and forums can get) offense attempts.
american steel
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As I said, you just have to be right.
If you care to continue this charade any further, at least the content not applicable to the topic put forth by the OP, I'd be willing to oblige via PM. I doubt this thread needs anymore meaningless point proving or personal (as personal as the internet and forums can get) offense attempts.
because you're wrong, there is no need for Private messages about this topic.
hey you're the one that was getting mad over NOTHING!
don't try to argue with some one when they have been building engines for over 10 years that's like a carpenter trying to a plumber how to their job, it doesn't work.
Mediamonkey11
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Now stop, remove the tampon, and actually read your responses.
Un subscribing now, if you care to have any more replies from me, you can do it via private message
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CaperCanadian
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I see that this is becoming a heated topic but i have to chime in. i put a superchips Linq on my 2000 ex with 220 000 km on her and made sure i had tuned up everything, new plugs, cleaned airfilter, oil change, cleaned maf and any other sencer you can think of. Even went as far to make sure the cam chains were still tight and in good shape,just to make sure she was in time, before flashing it to the fuel saver tune. I did 2 weeks of checking my milage 1st week without the tuner and was getting 11mpg city and 15mpg hiway. Before anyone says thats because of changing the way i was using the gas peddle. Hiway was on cruse both weeks, same strech of hiway and same time of day. 2nd week with tune was 16mpg city and 22-23 mpg hiway. So to say they do nothing,, from what i have seen my tuner has paid for it self in 3 months.
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