Ford had spark plugs ejecting out of 2nd gen, 5.4l. The water pump on the 3.5l v6 is located inside engine and cost $1500 to repair. Just because something is "newer", does not mean better. Hyundai started offering a 100k mile warranty, but price of there cars went way up. Honda and Toyota lean more toward more reliability, than performance. German cars are very costly to maintain.
2000 EB to 2017 eco boost - hesitant
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I got a buddy who bought an auction 09 or '10 KIA for $2200 with 200k mi....now has >300k. No major issues.
Fords highest sales were in second gen the new ones are failing to sell from what I hear. Lots will avoid just because of ecoboost and will continue to justified or not it's just a wide held belief in V8 power. People have migrated to Tahoe and Yukon in flocks, consumers have spoken loud that Ford is failing the full size SUV front. I don't care what the ecoboost says on paper it's different in real life, fast lane truck did a towing competition between Navigator and yukon and the Yukon had wayyyy more power over hills with that trailer and beat out the ecoboost big time. The ecoboost was losing speed floored and the GM kept speeding up the same hill the ecoboost failed to accelerate on. Consumers want what they want shoving things down their throats won't work. Ford is learning this lesson with the explorer their smaller ecoboost fails to sell and it is lowest selling in its class. There are a lot like me that will never buy one, but I'll buy a coyote V8.
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Meant to say 1 dealerships mechanics.
I have many Ford techs in my phone, most Drive EB 150's or PS 250's. All with Turbo's. They swear by them. They don't speak badly about the 5.0, they say it is a great motor. All in who you talk to.
If you want MORE Grunt at a lower RPM, you go EB. They get the same MPG +/- 10% of the 5.0, but with more power.
All I can say, is the EB moves this Expy effortlessly. I can say that, cause I have owned 2 15+ Expy's.
Our motor is tried and true, 15+ have the 1st Gen motor with all the fixes learned from the first few years of the EB in the 150. If you want to get accurate longevity, go on to the 150 forums and ask the 2014 150 owners. Their drivetrain is the closest to ours.
What BS have you been reading, obviously not REAL numbers. The Explorer is the highest selling Midsize SUV in the US. Pretty sure it is the highest overall SUV. That was even for the first half of 2017!
The 2.3 Ecoboost sales numbers are absolutely atrocious and worst in class, they added displacement because nobody bought them but it's still not working. The explorer sells most with the naturally aspirated 3.5 V6 engine and 3.5 ecoboost in second. I am talking powertrain sales figures not explorer as a whole... the small displacement ecoboost sells the least by far. I'm not saying there is no market for the ecoboost I'm just saying there is a big market for the 5.0 and in this truck there is demand for it. Btw the ecoboost really can't be compared to the 6.7 Powerstroke they have nothing in common, the only gasoline engine we can really even put in It's league is the 6.2 V8.
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Where did your kill story go? The 07 vs 16 0-60 is 2.5 seconds difference, and the 15+ is a little heavier because of added safety features. Off the line a 15+ will easily walk you.
You mentioned TFL Truck. Not sure what video you watched...click on the following link, scroll to 10:45 in the video. Right at the end they floored it, and it did not immediately gain speed. But it maintained a much lower RPM, had a better time overall, and they raved about it cruising up with little effort. That was against the 6.2 in a Denali with 40 more HP.
I have been watching Roman and his crew for years...so good try.
Why if there is Soooo much demand for the 5.0 do the Eco’s, both 2.7 and 3.5 people rave about once they drive one. I love the fact that people who are speaking negatively about the EB, don’t own one. Those of us that drive them, speak VERY highly of them.
I drove all the Large SUV’s out there when we were picking out our 15, we have Limited EL 4x4. Drove a Suburban, and it felt like it couldn’t get out of its own way. Loved the interior. In order to get the 6.2 at the time I had to go to a GMC Denali, and 15K more. Loved our 15 so much, when a lady cut my wife off at 45MPH and it was totaled, we bought a 17 that was EXACTLY the same. Wife didn’t even hesitate. She wanted the same!
For the OP, buy a EB 15+, you won’t regret it!
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/ford/ford-explorer/
Ford Explorer
2016 248.507
2015 249.251
2014 209.994
2013 192.397
2012 164.207
2011 135.704
2010 60.687
2009 52.190
2008 78.439
2007 137.817
2006 179.229
2005 239.788
2004 339.333
2003 373.118
2002 433.847
2001 415.921
2000 445.157
1999 428.772
1998 431.488
1997 383.852
1996 402.663
1995 395.227
1994 278.065
1993 302.201
1992 306.681
1991 250.059
1990 159.626
Ford Explorer
2016 248.507
2015 249.251
2014 209.994
2013 192.397
2012 164.207
2011 135.704
2010 60.687
2009 52.190
2008 78.439
2007 137.817
2006 179.229
2005 239.788
2004 339.333
2003 373.118
2002 433.847
2001 415.921
2000 445.157
1999 428.772
1998 431.488
1997 383.852
1996 402.663
1995 395.227
1994 278.065
1993 302.201
1992 306.681
1991 250.059
1990 159.626
I deleted it because it was a long post... Andy those sales figures you post mean nothing to this conversation that's including all powertrains. Not to be a A hole. I'll repost it I hammered down against a new expy out of the tolls at 20mph because he was trying to fly past me threw the EZpass lane to the left of me to cut me out... there was barely any difference in speed at all and I won simply because I maintained a straight line and he had to hit the breaks where it reduces to two lanes... he didn't have the speed to overtake me and flipped out when he lost and told me I was number one with his finger. He may have been faster over a long haul but from 20-80 mph he couldn't pass me and he had a long run to do it, and oh how much he tried to no success. I will say he was slightly quicker but the speed came on way to slow. 0-60 on 07 is 7.5 seconds the new one is 6.5 seconds that's not two seconds FYI. That 6.2 is now available in the Tahoe RST btw sick looking truck... the difference there is that powertrain will have double or triple the life of ecoboost. I have never heard anyone down talk the 5.0 coyote everyone says how great it is. The 5.0 has 395 horsepower and 400 lb ft of torque the thing flies... they use a blown 5.0 in the Shelby F-150 and get 750 horsepower out of it. I understand I sound like an ultra opinionated A hole but I do recognize the ecoboosts high output and usefulness I'm not saying it's a bad engine, I'm just saying it's not a replacement for the bigger V8 in HD application. In our trucks I think reluctantly that it's fine and will work great because we don't work these all that hard.
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