Unfortunately those U-haul POS trailers only have surge brakes. If you had electric brakes, you would have been able to tap the brakes on trailer only to bring it under control. The trailer's short length created much of your problem. Because of the weight of the old girl loaded incorrectly on that short trailer is what causes the wagging. You had the weight too far rearward on the axles. Even a foot of extra length pushing the trailer axles rearward would have helped the control.
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Unfortunately those U-haul POS trailers only have surge brakes. If you had electric brakes, you would have been able to tap the brakes on trailer only to bring it under control. The trailer's short length created much of your problem. Because of the weight of the old girl loaded incorrectly on that short trailer is what causes the wagging. You had the weight too far rearward on the axles. Even a foot of extra length pushing the trailer axles rearward would have helped the control.
Milwaukee
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I experience WICK fish tailing on F350 with tri axle trailer. Problem was Hitch set too LOW.
Of course my expedition did that was scary ride on highway. Thank lord for electric brake controller I installed save my butt many times.
Of course I raise hitch pintle hitch 3" up it stop but expedition aren't made to tow tri axles trailer
Of course my expedition did that was scary ride on highway. Thank lord for electric brake controller I installed save my butt many times.
Of course I raise hitch pintle hitch 3" up it stop but expedition aren't made to tow tri axles trailer
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sgtowing
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I know that truck!
Looks like a p.o.s. everywhere but under the hood..
2012 Truck Shootout - Farmtruck Wheelie - YouTube
Holy F!@#k. That thing is bad.
KWT2000
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i agree with the uhaul being to short over all and the axles are not set back enough to give proper tongue weight with a pickup of that size... good thing you made it safe
Mediamonkey11
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Yeah dude that was probably the worst trailer I have ever towed! And BTW, electric brakes FTW!
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Mediamonkey11
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I told this about 30 miles each way, she was heavy! It's a 16ft dual axle 7000gvw trailer with electric brakes I revamped a year ago along with all new wheel bearrings!
And she was full of these! (Couldn't take the stage out because we had nowhere to put it, it alone weighs probably 1k!).
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And she was full of these! (Couldn't take the stage out because we had nowhere to put it, it alone weighs probably 1k!).
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jbanks
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32 Ft Bumper Pull Camper - Rental!
I thought I was only going to have to pull it 8 miles but the camper rental place moved and it was more like 12. No Brake Controller. No Load Leveling Hitch. I got up to about 55 miles an hour and was fine. But when I hit 60 the wag started and I backed off. The weight of the camper was about 5000lbs. I took a bunch of weight out of the back of the Navigator and loaded it into the camper trying to spread the weight. The back of the Navigator was WAY LOW! I have converted to coils using the Monroe 90006 kit. I'm pretty sure it could use some heavier duty springs in the back. Many people have complained about the ride height after using the 90006 kit.
superexpy
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32 Ft Bumper Pull Camper - Rental!
I thought I was only going to have to pull it 8 miles but the camper rental place moved and it was more like 12. No Brake Controller. No Load Leveling Hitch. I got up to about 55 miles an hour and was fine. But when I hit 60 the wag started and I backed off. The weight of the camper was about 5000lbs. I took a bunch of weight out of the back of the Navigator and loaded it into the camper trying to spread the weight. The back of the Navigator was WAY LOW! I have converted to coils using the Monroe 90006 kit. I'm pretty sure it could use some heavier duty springs in the back. Many people have complained about the ride height after using the 90006 kit.
I bet that Navi was pissed...
Expy530
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2003 expedition San Felipe Mexico
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jbanks
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I bet that Navi was pissed...
Was not happy. Right near the end of the tow there was a large hill and I thought 'aw hell no'
32 Ft Bumper Pull Camper - Rental!
I thought I was only going to have to pull it 8 miles but the camper rental place moved and it was more like 12. No Brake Controller. No Load Leveling Hitch. I got up to about 55 miles an hour and was fine. But when I hit 60 the wag started and I backed off. The weight of the camper was about 5000lbs. I took a bunch of weight out of the back of the Navigator and loaded it into the camper trying to spread the weight. The back of the Navigator was WAY LOW! I have converted to coils using the Monroe 90006 kit. I'm pretty sure it could use some heavier duty springs in the back. Many people have complained about the ride height after using the 90006 kit.
Our camp trailer
This is what I tow. 23', 4800 lbs dry. When it's loaded I think its close to 6000 (I need to have it weighed when it's full.) There is 6 in my family, so at the end of the day the Expe still weighs more than the trailer.
Expe handles it well especially with the Equalizer hitch. It starts to have a problem when climbing up higher elevation roads of the Rocky Mountains, that's when It could really use more power (and when I wish it was a diesel.) However, in all reality, it does just fine.
I also have a 16.5' utility trailer that I've hauled friends cars with or helped moved people. It handles that twin axle trailer like a dream, loaded or not.
![IMG_20130413_112904[1].jpg](https://www.expeditionforum.com/data/attachments/6/6920-571ce132bff9de2842a1cf6f5b610de5.jpg "IMG_20130413_112904[1].jpg")
This is what I tow. 23', 4800 lbs dry. When it's loaded I think its close to 6000 (I need to have it weighed when it's full.) There is 6 in my family, so at the end of the day the Expe still weighs more than the trailer.
Expe handles it well especially with the Equalizer hitch. It starts to have a problem when climbing up higher elevation roads of the Rocky Mountains, that's when It could really use more power (and when I wish it was a diesel.) However, in all reality, it does just fine.
I also have a 16.5' utility trailer that I've hauled friends cars with or helped moved people. It handles that twin axle trailer like a dream, loaded or not.
Ive only towed the following a few times with my Expedition. That my old Mountaineer in the picture. But so far it pulls it like its not even back there. Usually loaded with my attached tractor. Most recent pull was same trailer loaded with a used Ford ranger.
I recently did a coilover conversion and looking fwd to seeing and noticeable difference when pulling.
Plenty of power, but fuel economy of about 12 when pulling.
Pulling this ranger to a home we have in the smoky mountains. First pull since I did an air ride to coil over conversion. Did not squat much once loaded, but think I am going to miss the air ride auto leveling if for no other reason than stance appearance
I recently did a coilover conversion and looking fwd to seeing and noticeable difference when pulling.
Plenty of power, but fuel economy of about 12 when pulling.
Pulling this ranger to a home we have in the smoky mountains. First pull since I did an air ride to coil over conversion. Did not squat much once loaded, but think I am going to miss the air ride auto leveling if for no other reason than stance appearance
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MoHawk
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12?! That's AWESOME pulling a setup like that.
IMINYOURCHAIR
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32 Ft Bumper Pull Camper - Rental!
that navi is less than pleased.
Have only pulled the tractor twice. Both times about 150 miles. But both time started with full tank and filled up when I got back home. Both times right at 12 gallons to fill it back up. Mostly back country hilly 2 lane roads, but avg speed of 60-62. The most recent pull was same trailer but loaded with an 88 Ford ranger (bit less weight than the tractor) that was over 300 miles at 62-70, same results. I figure 10-12 to be avg for towing with a 5.4. Our normal just road trips with people nets about 19 on just about every tank. Even my old 5.0 Mountaineer would drop from 20-21 hwy down to 14 when pulling the same loads.
I'm very plesed with the overall performance of this expedition so far.
