04 EB electrical issue-delayed acc relay issue?

[Fordgirl01]

I have been doing some rocker panel work on my 04 EB Expedition (slip on rockers). I went with rivets and metal auto adhesive since I have never welded thin metal and did not want to practice on this project! So, as I drilled some holes along the top where the big weatherstripping sits (where the big bundle of wires sits behind-driver's side) I poked the wire bundle a few times before I smartened up and put a piece of wood behind it. After that, I discovered some things did not work. So from searching this forum and others, I think it has something to do with the delayed accessory relay.

What doesn't work: electric windows, gauges (instrument lights do work), radio, interior lights, vanity light, under hood light, moon roof, vent windows, automatic headlights, 4wd indicator)

What does work: high beam indicator, headlights (high and low), tail lights, brake lights, instrument panel lights, heater blower, signal lights, door locks, wipers, daytime running lights.

There is no power to fuse #22, so I am guessing it is a wire problem that gets power to the fuse. I assume then the power goes to the delayed accessory relay. I did try swapping relay #02 and 03, but with no power to it I guess that probably was a useless test.

I did notice by the rear door (driver side), there is a green wire with a brown stripe that has a nick in the coating. The wire is not broken but the drill bit clearly glanced across the coating. I plan to cut that wire and put it back together.

So, which wire am I looking at that gets power to fuse #22, or am I barking up the wrong tree?

I also tried disconnecting the battery for a while hoping that would work-it did not!

Thanks to everyone who posts such great info on this forum for us do it yourself kind of folks!

 

[Bedrck47]

Have you checked ALL the fuses with a meter

 

[Bedrck47]

You need to pull the accessory delay relay
Then take your volt meter and place one lead on a good solid ground and the other lead you will put into the slot for pin 86 and pin 30 of the relay socket and see what voltage you have at those 2 slots You can look on the side of the relay to see what slots are for pins 86 and 30.
Post the voltage results

 

[Bedrck47]

[QUOTE So, which wire am I looking at that gets power to fuse #22, or am I barking up the wrong tree? [/QUOTE]

Your sort of looking up the wrong tree

Fuse 22 get its power from the accessory delay relay contact Both the relay and the fuse are part of the circuit board inside of the fuse box Therefore there is no external wire

 

[John Christopher]

If you can post some pictures of your repair as you go. I'm sure people would want to see it. A lot of guys can't weld, including me. Thanks. I hope you get your electrical issue solved.

 

[Fordgirl01]

Have you checked ALL the fuses with a meter

I only checked them with a test light. I will try with a meter.

 

[Fordgirl01]

You need to pull the accessory delay relay
Then take your volt meter and place one lead on a good solid ground and the other lead you will put into the slot for pin 86 and pin 30 of the relay socket and see what voltage you have at those 2 slots You can look on the side of the relay to see what slots are for pins 86 and 30.
Post the voltage results

Thank you-I will do this and post results.

 

[Fordgirl01]

If you can post some pictures of your repair as you go. I'm sure people would want to see it. A lot of guys can't weld, including me. Thanks. I hope you get your electrical issue solved.

It's not exactly what I planned on doing as it got cold here and my other vehicle is having issues. I needed to wrap this up quicker than I planned so I did not take as much time on the body work as I would have liked. But, it's not all jagged rust so that's a plus! I opted to paint it with bed liner to camouflage the sketchy body work. With the doors closed, no one can see it anyway. It's functional but not photo worthy!

 

[Fordgirl01]

[QUOTE So, which wire am I looking at that gets power to fuse #22, or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Your sort of looking up the wrong tree

Fuse 22 get its power from the accessory delay relay contact Both the relay and the fuse are part of the circuit board inside of the fuse box Therefore there is no external wire[/QUOTE]
So, if I don't have adequate power at the relay.....I have bigger issues? Great:-(

 

[Bedrck47]

[QUOTE So, if I don't have adequate power at the relay.....I have bigger issues? Great:-([/QUOTE]

How do you know you don't have adequate power at the relay.?????????

I asked if you would post the voltage at pins 86 and 30 at the relay socked. And until you post those figures we will not know if you have the correct voltage or not.

The only way ANYONE can help you is for you to answer what they ask you to do.

 

[Fordgirl01]

[QUOTE So, if I don't have adequate power at the relay.....I have bigger issues? Great:-(

How do you know you don't have adequate power at the relay.?????????

I asked if you would post the voltage at pins 86 and 30 at the relay socked. And until you post those figures we will not know if you have the correct voltage or not.

The only way ANYONE can help you is for you to answer what they ask you to do.[/QUOTE]
I realize that and appreciate the help. I stated I would post the readings-I just came in from the garage. So, I found pins #86 and #30 (thank you for the tip that they are identified on the relay-I had no idea). I got a reading of 25.5 on both pins as well as at all the fuses (except of course fuse #22 which I get nothing). I hope I used the multimeter correctly-I don't really know how to use it. I set it at 200 on one of the V spaces.

 

[Bedrck47]

Impossible for you to get 25.5 But I have no idea if that is volts or what

You have a 12 volt system Re read the voltage on those pins put one lead of the DC VOLT meter into slot 86 and the other lead on a solid ground get the reading

Then do the same for slot 30 to ground

 

[JExpedition07]

What kind of multimeter do you have? On Fluke products DC voltage is represented by a straight line with an V while Alternating current has the squiggly line with an V. Make sure you are set to direct current voltage Not alternating current. Post a pic of your meter if you don’t know where to set it.

 

[JExpedition07]

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[Fordgirl01]

What kind of multimeter do you have? On Fluke products DC voltage is represented by a straight line with an V while Alternating current has the squiggly line with an V. Make sure you are set to direct current voltage Not alternating current. Post a pic of your meter if you don’t know where to set it.

Ok-that make sense. I remember seeing the straight and also the squiggly line above the V. I may have had it set wrong. I will post a pic of the meter later today and check the pins again. Thank you!

 

[Fordgirl01]

Ok-here is my multimeter and where I had it set. I see now I had it on AC instead of DC. So now on the DC side-what setting should I have it in to test the relay? Thanks again for the help!

 

[Bedrck47]

That is pointing to 200 Volts AC

Move the pointer 5 positions to the left Then you will be at 20 volts DC Also your leads need to go into the TWO holes that are covered by your thumb
Black lead in COM
Red lead in V

 

[stamp11127]

I've updated the multimeter guide sticky in the Electrical section with a link to using them. That may help you in using it in the future.

 

[Fordgirl01]

That is pointing to 200 Volts AC

Move the pointer 5 positions to the left Then you will be at 20 volts DC Also your leads need to go into the TWO holes that are covered by your thumb
Black lead in COM
Red lead in V

I will get everything set correctly, test again and post the readings when get home from work. Thanks again-I really appreciate the help!

 

[Fordgirl01]

I've updated the multimeter guide sticky in the Electrical section with a link to using them. That may help you in using it in the future.

Great-thank you. I will take a look at it.