Expedition Ecoboost Tune

[jdeshong]

Has anyone here tuned there 2015+ Expedition Ecoboost? I just ordered the Livernois 93 Performance tune which gives +80rwhp and +80lbs torque at the wheels. I have the tuner in hand, just waiting for my tunes to arrive in my email.

 

[AllBoostNoEco]

Sure have. I have 3 different tunes from 5-Star: 87 Performance Tow, 87 Performance, and 93 Performance.
Basically run the 93 tune since I bought my truck.
Worth every penny IMO.

 

[07xln]

Curious what kind of gains you got from your 5 Star tuning? I'm thinking about getting one of their SCT tuners for my 17. I only run 93 octane so the two other tunes I'll probably never use.

Also I see you got a tow tune but I don't see any "tow" options on 5 stars website. Only economy and performance tunes. I do a lot of towing so that's why I ask

 

[AllBoostNoEco]

I can only go off their dynocharts, which shows their F-150 4x4 with 3.73s making 250hp and 300 ft-lbs stock. Their 93 performance tune shows 320hp and 450 ft-lbs peak. All figures at the wheels. But the real win is that the tuned one doesn’t drop below 300 ft-lbs until 5300 rpm.

It sure feels like the numbers are spot-on. My truck feels like a hot rod compared to my wife’s stock Platinum even with 35s.
I don’t remember where I found the tow tune, but it was there when I ordered my tunes. I didn’t think twice about it because I had the same tunes on my F-150 except my 93 tune was their ‘Race’ tune.

 

[07xln]

That's quite a jump especially on the torque. That would make towing a whole lot nicer. I'll get with 5 Star about the tow tune

Thanks for the help

 

[bobmbx]

I can only go off their dynocharts, which shows their F-150 4x4 with 3.73s making 250hp and 300 ft-lbs stock. Their 93 performance tune shows 320hp and 450 ft-lbs peak. All figures at the wheels. But the real win is that the tuned one doesn’t drop below 300 ft-lbs until 5300 rpm.

It sure feels like the numbers are spot-on. My truck feels like a hot rod compared to my wife’s stock Platinum even with 35s.
I don’t remember where I found the tow tune, but it was there when I ordered my tunes. I didn’t think twice about it because I had the same tunes on my F-150 except my 93 tune was their ‘Race’ tune.

Are you sure about the 250hp? My 2017 XLT makes 365hp off the factory floor.

Engine Specifications
Drive type Rear-wheel drive (std.); Control Trac® Four-wheel drive (opt.)
Engine type 3.5L EcoBoost® V6 with Ti-VCT
Transmission 6-speed automatic with SelectShift®
Final drive ratio 3.15 (std. 4x2 Expedition); 3.31 (std. 4x4 Expedition & 4x2 Expedition EL)
3.73 (std. 4x4 Expedition EL, opt. 4x2 Expedition EL & 4x2/4x4 Expedition)
EPA-Estimated Rating
(Actual mileage will vary) Expedition 4x2: 15 city/ 21 hwy/ 18 combined mpg
Expedition EL 4x2: 15 city/ 20 hwy/ 17 combined mpg
Expedition 4x4: 15 city/ 20 hwy/ 17 combined mpg
Expedition EL 4x4: 15 city/ 19 hwy/ 16 combined mpg
Horsepower (SAE net@rpm) 365 @ 5,000
Torque (lb.-ft@rpm) 420 @ 2,250
Compression ratio 10.0:1

 

[JExpedition07]

They are talking at the wheel not the crank. Massive power is lost through the transmission, driveshaft, differential, CV axles by the time you get it to the wheel.

 

[07xln]

Are you sure about the 250hp? My 2017 XLT makes 365hp off the factory floor.

Not at the wheels it dont

 

[bobmbx]

They are talking at the wheel not the crank. Massive power is lost through the transmission, driveshaft, differential, CV axles by the time you get it to the wheel.

I got curious. The following graph is directly from the 5Star website http://5startuning.com/got-2017-f150-3-5l-v6-ecoboost/and shows a 2017 3.5L EB F-150 dyno "@ Wheel SAE J1349" (I admit, I have no idea what that is; I'm assuming its a standard test procedure for power testing "at the wheels").

A quick review of of chart shows an unmodified 3.5L EB pushes in the neighborhood of 325-330hp (peak power) at the wheel.

 

[AllBoostNoEco]

The 2017 has the advantage of improved output (375hp and 470 ft-lbs) and the 10-speed. Not to mention it doesn’t state whether it’s a 4WD or not. I’m guessing not with that output.

This is a 2014 with 4WD and the EB. It’s also most directly comparable to the 15-17 EB. It’s a 31% powertrain loss, which isn’t abnormal.
A 375-hp engine losing less than 20% drivetrain (like the 2017 chart) is pretty remarkable. That 10-speed must be amazingly efficient, and/or the 375 is a bit of a lie.

 

[jdeshong]

Here is a dyno graph on a 2015 Expedition from Livernois Motorsports. They show stock at 316 rwhp/354tq and 393hp/436tq tuned. The graph doesn't seem right on the lower rpms because torque should max out at 2500rpms stock. The video is on youtube

 

[AllBoostNoEco]

Without knowing if they are running the SAE corrected standard (except for the 2017 chart), the dynos themselves could account for the differences between the numbers.
I trust Livernois and I trust 5-Star, and without access to a dyno myself, there’s no real way to say what the actual output is. I’d expect my output at the rear wheels to be quite a bit lower than someone with a 2WD on stock tires.
Perhaps after the new year I can find time to get out to 5-Star or find somewhere more locally to have them play with things.

 

[bobmbx]

I think people selling hp boosting technology lowball stock performance, and maybe fudge a bit with their own results. Not saying they're telling fibs...just nudging the numbers a bit.

Then again, we seem to trust Fords' claim of 365 as the rock-solid baseline. Maybe that number is a bit fudged also?

It would be nice to see a clear cut dyno run performed by someone who doesn't have a dog in the hunt for horsepower.

 

[Muddy Bean]

Um, at the end of the day, I’d be absolutely thrilled with a 77hp gain with a merely just a tune...regardless of where in the drivetrain it shows up. Saving my pennies for this when my warranty is done...


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[Adieu]

How does the MPG fare with tunes?

 

[jdeshong]

I've been waiting impatiently for 4 days now and still have no tune files from Livernois. They did email on Monday saying my vehicle had a newer updated Ford strategy code which wasn't in their database and would take a little longer. I don't get that because my truck is a 2015 which is 3 years old now, it's not like it just came rolling off the showroom floor.

 

[bobmbx]

I've been waiting impatiently for 4 days now and still have no tune files from Livernois. They did email on Monday saying my vehicle had a newer updated Ford strategy code which wasn't in their database and would take a little longer. I don't get that because my truck is a 2015 which is 3 years old now, it's not like it just came rolling off the showroom floor.

They're adjusting the phase inducers before they can install the Heisenberg Compensator. You don't want to have a tetrion leak, do you?

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

They're adjusting the phase inducers before they can install the Heisenberg Compensator. You don't want to have a tetrion leak, do you?

If they aren't careful it will destabilize the flux capacitor and that could misalign the turbo-encabulator

 

[jdeshong]

If they aren't careful it will destabilize the flux capacitor and that could misalign the turbo-encabulator

LOL

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[Muddy Bean]

Just change the blinker fluid and your truck will be gobs faster.


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