Navigator/Expedition Tail lamp swap

[Muddy Bean]

Lol. I just want the outer tail lamps/turn signals. Nothing else. No glam bam. Just the two outer lights. I’ll have to play around with this when I’m off the road for a bit.


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[ExpeditionAndy]

Lol. I just want the outer tail lamps/turn signals. Nothing else. No glam bam. Just the two outer lights. I’ll have to play around with this when I’m off the road for a bit.


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What year was that Navigator that you posted? Is it a 17? Without a ruler just eyeing it it seems like it might fit. It would be nice to see if you could pick one up in a junk yard just to see if it would fit the opening. If it does, it would be easy to figure out the wiring.

 

[Muddy Bean]

I think that was a 2015. Same year as my Expedition.


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[AllBoostNoEco]

So @Muddy Bean for what’s it worth, I spent some time comparing part numbers between a 2015 Expedition and Navigator. The rear quarter panel, side supports, bumper cover support, and hitch are all the same part number between the two vehicles. Obviously, the taillights and the bumper cover are different. But I’d wager that physically, you could do the swap using a Navigator bumper cover and taillights. Wiring would be a different issue, but I can’t imagine it would be hard to make that part work. The Expedition already has a separate wire for the turn signal, you’d just have to match it to the input on the Navigator taillights.

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

So @Muddy Bean for what’s it worth, I spent some time comparing part numbers between a 2015 Expedition and Navigator. The rear quarter panel, side supports, bumper cover support, and hitch are all the same part number between the two vehicles. Obviously, the taillights and the bumper cover are different. But I’d wager that physically, you could do the swap using a Navigator bumper cover and taillights. Wiring would be a different issue, but I can’t imagine it would be hard to make that part work. The Expedition already has a separate wire for the turn signal, you’d just have to match it to the input on the Navigator taillights.

That's encouraging. If we could find a wiring diagram for the Navigator and Expedition Tail Light assemblies would could make quick work of this.

 

[Calabash9ToeJig]

I've got access to the wiring diagrams. I'll share them with whoever is interested.

Any update on this project @Muddy Bean ?
I've got an '07 Expedition EL and I'd love to do the same: get some amber turn signals.

Thought it might be a lost cause until I saw the Navigators with their amber turn signals and wondered how easy the swap might be.

 

[star-art]

So @Muddy Bean for what’s it worth, I spent some time comparing part numbers between a 2015 Expedition and Navigator. The rear quarter panel, side supports, bumper cover support, and hitch are all the same part number between the two vehicles.

What he said. The Expedition and Navigator share the same rear quarter panel. This means the 2015-17 Navigator tail lamps should install in the Expedition openings. (I haven't studied pics of earlier models so I don't know about those.)

BUT, with that said, the 2015-17 Navi tail lamp assemblies are *shorter* in height than the Expy units. So, you would have a *gap* underneath each tail lamp that would need to be filled in. This can addressed by making a custom filler piece and attaching it to the bottom of each lamp assembly.

All this is assuming you can figure out the wiring of course. . .

 

[Muddy Bean]

I haven’t chased this down yet. Working a lot lately....and in my free time I’m trying to rid my truck of mice. That being said, I’d like to do this swap do I appreciate very much the info. It is indeed encouraging...the wiring shouldn’t be too much drama.


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[star-art]

....and in my free time I’m trying to rid my truck of mice.

You didn't happen to remove your 2nd row middle seat, did you? That leaves a hole in the floor that will let mice gain entry into your truck. I learned this lesson the hard way. . .

 

[Muddy Bean]

I have captains chairs in my truck. I never did have the middle Seat. I’ll be checking this today thank you so much!


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[star-art]

Since you just posted this image in another thread, I was looking at the white "sockets" in the quarter panel recess where the Expy tail lamps snap into place. Notice there are extra holes in that area. It's a good bet those holes are used to secure the Navigator tail lamps. So, not only would you need the lamp units, but you might also need the "sockets" that go into those other holes that secure them when they are snapped into place.

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

Since you just posted this image in another thread, I was looking at the white "sockets" in the quarter panel recess where the Expy tail lamps snap into place. Notice there are extra holes in that area. It's a good bet those holes are used to secure the Navigator tail lamps. So, not only would you need the lamp units, but you might also need the "sockets" that go into those other holes that secure them when they are snapped into place.

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I have the part number for white sockets if anyone needs them. I had to buy some because one of mine was missing.

 

[Muddy Bean]

Been pricing out Navi tail lamp housings and sheesh they are expensive. Almost $500 for just one side. Yeah, it’s not worth $1000 for me to swap. So I’m going back to the drawing board of wiring up my own separate LED amber turn signals...


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[bobmbx]

Bo

Been pricing out Navi tail lamp housings and sheesh they are expensive. Almost $500 for just one side. Yeah, it’s not worth $1000 for me to swap. So I’m going back to the drawing board of wiring up my own separate LED amber turn signals...


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A bone yard could be a good place to look.

 

[Muddy Bean]

Bo

A bone yard could be a good place to look.

Good thought. May try this soon.


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[Cooldog]

I have the part number for white sockets if anyone needs them. I had to buy some because one of mine was missing.

Yes, what is that part number?

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

Yes, what is that part number?

I will post them after I get home from work.

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

Yes, what is that part number?

Cooldog,

The part number is -N807706-S I got them from Ford Parts Giant

https://www.fordpartsgiant.com/parts/ford-nut-5mm-nylon-6_-n807706-s.html