CaptOchs
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Just curious: When I'm towing a 6500 lb camper, my 2003's MPG averages around 9 MPG. What are people seeing under similar towing circumstances with an Eco boost? Is it about the same or is MPG worse?
Which Gen 3 is the best?
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NASCAR Mike
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I own an 08 Eddie Bauer with 5.4 and a 17 Limited with the 3.5. I was very reluctant to buy the 17 with the ecoboost. I prefer the no nonsense V8 and looked at Suburbans but decided against their wimpy 5.3 engine and the solid rear axle. Having sold my 05 Excursion with turbo diesel, I did have concerns with the turbo in the ecoboost.
I can tell you that the 3.5L in my 17 is much faster than the 08 with 5.4L. The 3.5 engine is quieter and gets better gas mileage. It also handles better (both Expy's have 20" rims) I think because the V6 weighs less than the V8. My 08 only has 70k miles on it so my suspension parts are still fine.
I would go for the 3.5L in a 15-17 model year.
I can tell you that the 3.5L in my 17 is much faster than the 08 with 5.4L. The 3.5 engine is quieter and gets better gas mileage. It also handles better (both Expy's have 20" rims) I think because the V6 weighs less than the V8. My 08 only has 70k miles on it so my suspension parts are still fine.
I would go for the 3.5L in a 15-17 model year.
JExpedition07
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There is a handling difference but a lot of that is the electric power steering is quite an improvement from the hydrolic found from 07-14
UncleDJ
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Just curious. Hypothetical question......If they came out with a 1.5 litre that made 375 hp with 400 ft lbs of torque, would the ecoboost fans be on board?
This is Ford we're talking about
They've recently killed:
1) America's most popular police car (can you say recession-proof?)
2) America's DEFAULT livery vehicle
3) America's most popular or maybe second most popular cargo van
4) A decently popular minivan
Prior fails include axing the cheap but popular Ranger, and wasting the enduring popularity of the Bronco because....what, OJ? Who the hell cares about OJ????
Also, losing the Navigator's crown to GM because they were just SOO afraid of bad PR associations between their precious brand and oddly dressed black TV personalities engaging in antisocial behavior... sensitive much???
And anyway, they went and killed Mercury in roughly the same time frame ... might as well have funneled their more risque pop culture endorsements over to it as an experiment first
Ford marketing is EPIC fail at its best
Boostedbus
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Probably consider it yes if that’s where technology leads us. I’d take it over a 1975 460CI 4V carb Lincoln V8 that made 216 HP@ 4000 /366 TQ @ 2600 ...... those smog years were down right pathetic
They COULD just call up their partners-in-crime at Mazda and ask for a rotary revival.... they had 1.3 liters pushing 300hp like 20 years ago
Boostedbus
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I towed my car on a borrowed trailer last September through some of the Appalachian Mts. And averaged about 12-13 mpg. My car weighs 3800 lbs and guessing the trailer weighed at least 2000 lbs. Mine is an EL with 3.73 HD tow package and the engine only had 800 miles on it then and probably wasn't broken in yet
JExpedition07
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The cubic inch guys and forced induction guys on gasoline motors have argued for decades.... They both have pluses and minuses. Both can be more efficient than the other doing different tasks. Both have come a long way. They both have OHC designs, Variable Cam Timing, Fuel Injection (often DI) etc.... In a way the debate hasn’t changed ground a bit..... it still comes down to more cubic inches or forced induction to achieve more power....It’s whatever you prefer because the reality is they both work.
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Boostedbus
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Agreed but I think today with the tough EPA and Fuel mileage regulations, Ford is leaning to making small displacement engines with forced induction so the power is there when needed but kinda turned off when not. Hence the name Eco-Boost. They could have gone GM’s route and given us a 4-6-8 V8 which kills cylinders for when the power isn’t needed. From what I’ve seen they are problematic and not as liked as the Ecoboost engines. Just saying coming from a big fire breathing V8 guy , I accept the Turbo V6 trade off.
jeff kushner
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I would hope that is the OP really wants a valid answer, he do the market-repair research which is readily available.....because as much as most of us love our present trucks, we ARE VERY BIASED rendering our opinions, jaded.
I'm "on" my 3rd Expy....my 03EB leaked water pretty much from everywhere and although had a ton a features, doesn't matter much if its raining inside as hard as out. It died an early tranny death. The '99 was bulletproof all the way to nearly 230K before rear strut tower rust made it unsafe. They both had the 5.4 but were completely "different" engines. The '99 being great but the 03 was a dog.
I just rolled 38K on my new one....it's by far my favorite.
but remember, my opinion is biased too......
jeff
I'm "on" my 3rd Expy....my 03EB leaked water pretty much from everywhere and although had a ton a features, doesn't matter much if its raining inside as hard as out. It died an early tranny death. The '99 was bulletproof all the way to nearly 230K before rear strut tower rust made it unsafe. They both had the 5.4 but were completely "different" engines. The '99 being great but the 03 was a dog.
I just rolled 38K on my new one....it's by far my favorite.
but remember, my opinion is biased too......
jeff
JExpedition07
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The new GM V8s are capable of going down to 1 cylinder for 2019 it will be interesting. The V8 definitely has its place, especially in heavier duty applications. TFl just did a towing mashup on a Yukon Denali XL vs 2018 Expedition Platinum and the 6.2L V8 won their efficiency test drinking less fuel towing 7,000 pounds. Bigger motors tend to be more efficient than smaller ones when being worked. I really believe it comes down to preference.
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Thanks to the EPA Ford had to CAN the basically trouble free 7.3 diesel engine in F250's & F350's that over the years ALSO held 1'st place in THEY'RE field and go with the POS 6.0 & later the marginally better 6.4 , SO ,quote, (Do you think they would put anything in the vehicle that would mess with that status) does not hold water even though Ford more or less was forced into that fiasco with the 6.Oh Oh engines by the paper shufflers at the EPA , AND then we have this link from this site, http://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/those-with-catch-cans.35495/ , someone else can be the guinea pig on a $60 K truck while this all shakes out be it good or bad and time will tell just like it did with the 6.0 in the diesels, both my boys and myself had 7.3 diesel trucks and when the 6.Oh Oh diesels came out the boys both just had to have the latest & greatest & traded in perfectly good low mileage 7.3 trucks, guess what, they're new trucks are long gone and the old man still has his 16 year old 7.3 that stills runs like the proverbial sewing machine SOOO we will KEEP the wife's 2007 5.4 EB Expy that does not have that stupid knob to select the gears OR that stupid stop / start feature along with a new 10 speed trans while the rest of you good folks do the Echo-Boost twin turbo experiment AND thanks to this site the facts be they good or bad will come out, hopefully you will enjoy your ride while we watch for the side line.
SOOOOOOO much fail with this post. Thanks to the EPA all diesel manufacturers had to ditch relatively trouble free engines for motors that had added egr's and dpf's. It was not just a Ford thing.
Its obvious you know very little about the workings of an internal combustion engine and that's ok.
Comparing the 6.0 diesel to the Ecoboost is downright hilarious and should automatically award you with the dumbest statement ever award. The fact that youre comparing a diesel to a gas motor is even more hilarious. The 6.0 lasted 2yrs and pretty much had problems from the onset. So much so Ford had to publicly admit they made a mistake and even buy vehicles back and settle a class action lawsuit. The Ecoboost is going on 9yrs in production and no issues at all like the diesel had, not one. But hey after 9yrs and millions of miles I guess they should start failing left and right any day now. Keep your fingers crossed. Funny thing is the Ecoboost makes more power and torque than yer trusty ol 7.3 ever did. Quite an engineering marvel if you ask me. Stick with your 5.4 if you want, nobody cares. Just because you refuse to live in the now doesn't mean the folks that do are driving ticking time bombs
jeff kushner
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Come on 07, stop holding back so much! LMAO....be cool brothers, be cool....
jeff
FWIW: my refrigerator is 46 year old, runs great, never broke...that's why I still have it.....read into this what you will......
jeff
FWIW: my refrigerator is 46 year old, runs great, never broke...that's why I still have it.....read into this what you will......
If my expy is problematic, back to Toyota I go until they become problematic then onto whatever is rated most reliable.
With how much vehicles have gone up in price (guys are asking for advice on which $80,000 vehicle to buy in the gen 4 forum) we should demand near flawless vehicles that last a long time with regular maintenance.
With how much vehicles have gone up in price (guys are asking for advice on which $80,000 vehicle to buy in the gen 4 forum) we should demand near flawless vehicles that last a long time with regular maintenance.
TIME TO GO TO SCHOOL 07xln , A (FORD TECH) TELLS IT LIKE IT IS HERE , PART 1 of 2 parts , New Warning To All Ford Ecoboost Owners!, , Ford Ecoboost Warning PART 2 My Findings , (BORE SCOPES DON'T LIE AT THE 5:52 MARK HERE), , HERE he talks about The Biggest Problem with Ford's Ecoboost Engine & (HOW TO FIX IT): (RX Catch Can step by step Installation) Showing the cause of (the carbon buildup) on the back side of the valves issue to be (DIRECT INJECTION OVER PORT INJECTION) at the 2:56 mark AND look at the valves and the build ON THEM up at the 4:28 mark in this video , , AND the reason for my comment about diesels & gas engines was to refute the statement that Ford would never do something stupid to ruin their 40 year lead as # 1 in light truck sales which is exactly what took place when they rolled out the 6.0 / 6.4 with Variable Vane Turbo's , EGR valve & cooler issues after a 20 year mostly trouble free run with the 6.9 / 7.3 engines going back from 1983 tell 2003 & 1/2, & next time you reply to some one try to be at least CIVIL in your comments about some one you know nothing about, I was working on / with gas & diesel engines BEFORE YOU WERE BORN, consider your self schooled in the above video's and go argue with what the (FORD TEC POSTED) .
JExpedition07
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It’s so nice that spring has come and it’s getting warmer out. Great weather.
Thank you for that , and I will not fault Ford OR the other MFG's on the insane EPA mandates in this country that drive all of this but will how ever fault them for not doing enough testing before we spend our money to find out later we were the beta testers for them :-( , Oh & if the EPA what's to do something about smog & climate change they need to get the rest of the WORLD on China's back and clean up this mess, http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161219105512-01-china-smog-red-alert-1218-super-169.jpg ,..........AND........., ,https://latimesphoto.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/epa_china-air-pollution.jpg , ....we will never get ahead of that by ever increasing EPA reg's here that drive up the prices on EVERYTHING..........
JExpedition07
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The auto manufacturers wouldn’t have it the way it’s going if it was up to them, you have the right idea.
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