gbosin
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I think they wanted something to separate the Platinum from the Limited otherwise they are the same if you option up the limited package.
Does the 302 Limited have 400hp or 375 for 2019?
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Alright Mr Dizzle, we're all waiting for your answer. I read my info off a Ford website. I'm all ears, and antler's, please tell us how, where you read it, or know the facts?
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Is anybody going to notice the 25 hp difference? But 400 hp does have a nicer ring to it...
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25 horses is a big bump. Keep in mind, the torque almost always goes up too. And torque is what you feel when accelerating.
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I wouldn't think you would feel 25 hp. IMO you most definitely won't feel 5 ft pound of torque. I have 400 hp and 480 trq. I don't feel much of a difference when driving a loaner with the lesser power ratings.
25 hp, probably, no difference. Ring and pinion, make the biggest difference. A 3.73 ratio, will feel like night and day, vs a 3.31. Off the line, get up and go, is all in the axle ratio.
I was asking if it was a physical change or programming. If it's programming I can still purchase an XL model and a tuner to get the same. If it's larger turbos or higher capacity fuel injectors or pump,then that becomes more difficult.
So does anyone actually know what the difference is?
I'm leaning toward 1955Moose's theory. Car and Driver had this to say:
"Opting for the top-of-the-line Expedition or Expedition Max Platinum brings even more grunt to the full-size SUV, as power rises to an even 400 horses and torque is turned up to a sturdy 480 lb-ft. Alas, the Platinum’s high-horsepower engine sips premium fuel (the 375-hp engine uses regular gasoline). "
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a...-engine-output-for-2018-expedition-and-f-150/
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Ran across this video a while back, had to do a little digging to find it, thank God for youtube history.Todd Hoevener, Expedition Chief Engineer at Ford, clearly states it's all in the tuning no hardware. If I remember correctly the Rapter has the upgraded turbos.
Give it about 10 sec. until they talk about power. Enjoy.
EDIT:Should of paid more attention to the header, they are talking about the 2018 not the 2019, but I can't imagine they would have chnged.
Give it about 10 sec. until they talk about power. Enjoy.
EDIT:Should of paid more attention to the header, they are talking about the 2018 not the 2019, but I can't imagine they would have chnged.
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It's at the 19:10 mark. Yep it's tuning not hardware. This is from the chief engineer.
That was a good discussion video, I really enjoyed it. I wish they would bring in a veteran service mechanic that was an expert on the previous version of the Expeditions and explain what they did to improve reliability. You know this was an issue in the last generation, it was eliminated or improved by......
Then again they may count on folks that lease them for 3 years and get a new one and are not concerned about 10 years and 150,000 miles down the road.
That was a good discussion video, I really enjoyed it. I wish they would bring in a veteran service mechanic that was an expert on the previous version of the Expeditions and explain what they did to improve reliability. You know this was an issue in the last generation, it was eliminated or improved by......
Then again they may count on folks that lease them for 3 years and get a new one and are not concerned about 10 years and 150,000 miles down the road.
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The biggest reliability improvement on the Ecoboost was to change the injection system from direct injection only to a combination of direct and indirect injection. The direct injection only system allows the intake valves to accumulate deposits. Eventually the deposits cause enough performance issues to the point they need to be cleaned. The problem then is that, because the fuel is injected directly into the cylinder, fuel system cleaners will not work. With the newer combo system there is fuel, which contains detergents, injected directly upstream of the valves that helps keep them clean.
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Platinum achieves 400hp with 91+ octane. All other trims achieve 375hp with 91+ octane. It's programmed into the ECU. Engine hardware is all the same. Platinum achieves the extra power with extra turbo boost programmed into the ECU. It's as simple as that.
If you ask me, Ford should've bumped the Platinum power to at least 420 to compete with the Yukon XL Denali, which has had 420hp for years, and 2020 model year will bring a new engine (and thus, more power).
420hp would also maintain Navigator's 450hp output as the premium offering. Just my 2 cents.
If you ask me, Ford should've bumped the Platinum power to at least 420 to compete with the Yukon XL Denali, which has had 420hp for years, and 2020 model year will bring a new engine (and thus, more power).
420hp would also maintain Navigator's 450hp output as the premium offering. Just my 2 cents.
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Gordon, maybe they didn't for 2 reasons. 1, they didn't want to over stress the motor, and 2, that left the Lincoln, in a higher price point for selling that SUV. If they offered all the vehicles from the base model turbos, all the way to the Navigator with a 450 hp option, nobody would spring for the good stuff. Over half the people that buy the better product, wouldn't if they get the top features in the lower model. It's what keeps selling the trick, top stuff. Could you imagine Chevy offering the Cadillac engine/trans as an option In the 40's/50's Fleetline. Who'd need the Buick or Cadillac?
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So this idiot ruined the Expedition. He fails to explain, pricey, premium fuel is needed. He says 375hp is the 'standard' and its the most powerful Expedition. However, the Tahoe, is more powerful. In fact, does little to mention the most controversial, the 1 engine option. Don't get me started on the boring styling. The styling, forced because of aluminum's stamping limitations. It can't be shaped to aggressive and results in 'plain Jane' body panels. He states "we started, with a clean slate", but front end looks like a Explorer. The side view is 'similar' to the Tahoe. He claims its 'truck based', but looks more SUV based.
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Ding ding ding!!! We have a winner!!! Agreed about about 420 hp would have made great marketing sense. Still would have left the navigator as the premium offering. 420 would not stress this motor in a measurable amount over the 400!
LOL!! Yep you nailed it! Terrible ugly ************* with the worst motor ever released to the general public!!! PS you can run 87 in a new expedition all day long. Especially under normal everyday commuting and task driving. Start to do more with it, I would want the premium in it. That being said I do run 93 in mine exclusively.
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I disagree. 420hp on Yukon Denali is the same output as Escalade. Their starting price points are the same, but each attracts a different kind of buyer.
Platinum is in the $80k+ range. Same as Navigator’s starting price. At 420hp it would compete with Yukon Denali without stepping into Navigator territory.
Platinum and Yukon Denali are direct competitors yet Denali wins on power with its aging V8. I know the Plat is still faster due to lighter weight but people don’t look at curb weight as they do at power.
As for me, I have booster module on my Plat and I’m making around 480hp, so either way, Escalades and Denalis get quickly left behind
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That's true with the Gm's. But Ford has to my knowledge built their package according to price point. Theirs crossover points of course. Back in the day of all 4, you started with Ford, moved up to Mercury, then Edsel, and at the top Lincoln. Their always seems to be a vehicle in each age or professional category. I remember my brother was going to buy a Plymouth GTX in 1968, vs the Road Runner. It was a step up for the up and coming professional, as my brother was. The Road Runner was more youth oriented, and in turn power oriented. Most customer's that bought the GTX, bought the 383, vs the 426 or 440.
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As Bob Lutz once said "Americans buy horsepower, but drive torque".
25hp is nothing when paired with 5lb ft of torque.
And the difference is in the software only, which makes fairly simple to change (albeit a tad pricey, depending on where you sit).
25hp is nothing when paired with 5lb ft of torque.
And the difference is in the software only, which makes fairly simple to change (albeit a tad pricey, depending on where you sit).
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I disagree. 420hp on Yukon Denali is the same output as Escalade. Their starting price points are the same, but each attracts a different kind of buyer.
Platinum is in the $80k+ range. Same as Navigator’s starting price. At 420hp it would compete with Yukon Denali without stepping into Navigator territory.
Platinum and Yukon Denali are direct competitors yet Denali wins on power with its aging V8. I know the Plat is still faster due to lighter weight but people don’t look at curb weight as they do at power.
As for me, I have booster module on my Plat and I’m making around 480hp, so either way, Escalades and Denalis get quickly left behind
What brand booster Mod are you running Gordon?
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