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[Tom T]

catalytic converter is a pretty good word and describes what it does

https://www.etymonline.com/word/catalytic

 

[TobyU]

You have plainly said you keep your opinions on thing regardless of facts and have no desire to expand your horizons or perspectives based on facts or the input of others.

No wall of words will change that.

Correct, so why would you post above that you're glad that I changed my mind and now value facts?

I use facts in my opinion forming and decision-making process but I don't always give them more weight in the decision-making process.
When you say that, you say it with contempt as if to be an insult. I take it as the highest compliment as you do when I said you're obsessed or focused on facts.
I don't simply sit down and look at the facts and make a decision and say it has to be right because that's what the facts support. I use all of my senses, my lifelong experiences, previous wins and fails, and a very good dose of Common Sense to form my opinions, preferences, and make my decisions.
Obviously, I have no reason to change.

 

[carymccarr]

Correct, so why would you post above that you're glad that I changed my mind and now value facts?

I use fax in my opinion forming and decision-making process but I don't always give them more weight in the decision-making process.
When you say that, you say it with contempt as if to be an insult. I take it as the highest compliment as you do when I said you're obsessed or focused on facts.
I don't simply sit down and look at the facts and make a decision and say it has to be right because that's what the facts support. I use all of my senses, my lifelong experiences, previous wins and fails, and a very good dose of Common Sense to form my opinions, preferences, and make my decisions.
Obviously, I have no reason to change.

Facts trump feelings and personal biases.

 

[TobyU]

Facts trump feelings and personal biases.

Only in your mind and probably in your decision making process. They do not trump in all situations.
I think I covered this before.
"Facts are facts but not always King"

 

[TobyU]

Facts trump feelings and personal biases.

Also only because you choose to allow them to trump by giving them more weight.

DO you instinctively respond "Well of course they get more weight" ???

I expect you would and there is nothing wrong with that. Just how some more analytical people look at things.
I won't be snarky or passive aggressive and say "I won't hold it against you" or "It's not your fault" etc....
But note, just because you feel it is the only way to base things does not mean it is best for an individual or even best.

Person A could use all facts to base a decision and person B could discount a lot or all facts and there is no guarantee that either or both people will get desired outcome.

This is where life experience and past practices come in and where I give them a LOT of merit and weight. Another's experiences may very well be different and they don't giv ethem any weight.
Some people are just lucky or unlucky. Facts and statistics seem to have no bearing on them.

 

[TobyU]

catalytic converter is a pretty good word and describes what it does

https://www.etymonline.com/word/catalytic

Yep, but people always misheard the word....cadilladic.

It a converter with a catalyst in it- right?

 

[carymccarr]

Also only because you choose to allow them to trump by giving them more weight.

DO you instinctively respond "Well of course they get more weight" ???

Facts are facts. 2+2 = 4. It doesn’t matter what you think 2+2 should equal

Overall violence in the United States has dropped over the past few decades. Fact. Doesn’t matter what narrative/agenda a talking head is trying to push.

Facts are immutable.




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[TobyU]

Facts are facts. 2+2 = 4. It doesn’t matter what you think 2+2 should equal

Overall violence in the United States has dropped over the past few decades. Fact. Doesn’t matter what narrative/agenda a talking head is trying to push.

Facts are immutable.




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You have a skip in your record. We already covered those two. Can we at least move on to 2x0=0 ?
I'm getting tired of counting 4 apples.

Those talking heads certainly do try to push agendas. I do not..only my beliefs but I expect no one to follow those. They also pick and choose PARTS of facts instead of overall picture to support their agenda.

To put in another way, results are not always determined by facts or typical effects of facts.

If it rains it will get wet.
It you get caught in the rain you will get wet. General assumptions in this statement caused by using "caught".

I could get caught in rain in my car or have an umbrella or be carrying a larger piece or paper etc and not get wet.
"Get wet" also in relative and thought of as very soaked.
A little drop is technically getting wet. This is like saying fact and definitions are all that's important or they trump all else.

Many things are relative and results can often defy what the facts (which are still absolutely true) say they should be.
I guess this is why the fact 2+2=4 is different than the fact that crime is lower than it has been.

One is ONE value and the other is an average.
There will always be lows and highs in the group of an average.

 

[carymccarr]

You have a skip in your record. We already covered those two. Can we at least move on to 2x0=0 ?
I'm getting tired of counting 4 apples.

Those talking heads certainly do try to push agendas. I do not..only my beliefs but I expect no one to follow those. They also pick and choose PARTS of facts instead of overall picture to support their agenda.

To put in another way, results are not always determined by facts or typical effects of facts.

If it rains it will get wet.
It you get caught in the rain you will get wet. General assumptions in this statement caused by using "caught".

I could get caught in rain in my car or have an umbrella or be carrying a larger piece or paper etc and not get wet.
"Get wet" also in relative and thought of as very soaked.
A little drop is technically getting wet. This is like saying fact and definitions are all that's important or they trump all else.

Many things are relative and results can often defy what the facts (which are still absolutely true) say they should be.
I guess this is why the fact 2+2=4 is different than the fact that crime is lower than it has been.

One is ONE value and the other is an average.
There will always be lows and highs in the group of an average.

That’s why terms like: soaked, drenched, damp and dry were invented.

But the fact remains. Some states have more rain than others. Even if you’ve never seen rain.


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[Tom T]

As Churchill said, he only believes statistics he falsified....haha....I guess that's Toby's point saying "big picture"....