2nd Gen vs 3rd Gen

[Dmpsix]

Early 2nd gen had the 2v in their 5.4's

Other than that, they're basically all 5.4 3v

What are the differences between the two generations?

I'm considering getting a 3rd gen. But I'm also considering just getting a remanufactured engine and transmission in my 2nd gen when the time comes.

 

[Plati]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Expedition

 

[Dmpsix]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Expedition

You the real MVP for that seriously lol

 

[anionka]

2nd gen had torsion bar, 3rd gen had coil springs upfront

 

[SEPTIC PROFESSOR]

wrong

 

[rjdelp7]

The 5.4l 3v was named 'one of the worst' engines(along with the Cadillac Northstar). Google it. Vehicles with it have a lower resale and plenty of issues(some say none). Watch on YouTube, a guy called CAR WIZARD. His channel is informative on the 5.4l. FORDTECHMAKULOCO, has many videos about these motors. In short... don't walk away...run.

 

[ExplorerTom]

After owning a 1st gen with a 5.4L 2V for about 4.5 years and now a 3rd gen for 2 months...... The 3rd gen is such a nicer vehicle. The way it drives, the way it feels, the interior, the 6 speed transmission, the way it sounds (or doesn’t sound....).....

Check my links below. You’ll see I was all over my 1st gen. Good truck, not going to deny it that, but the 3rd gen, so far, is a nicer vehicle. I mean my 1st gen was designed and built during the Clinton administration...... That was a loooooong time ago.

 

[dlcorbett]

The 2nd gen and 3rd gen share frames, the the latter being slightly revised for the rigidity and saftey reasons as well as to accommoate the el version. The front and rear suspension components were changed for cost savings (aluminum to steel) and interchangebility woth the f150. Also, interior parts were changed to use more f150(current ford products)parts. They also changed positioning of seats to add adjustability and space for passengers in all rows. Though not a full redesign, the 3rd gens changes were substantial enough to call it a separate gen. The 3rd gen has a nicer interior depending on trim and is a bit more refined in terms of noise isolation and ride quality, esp the latter years. The 2nd gen has a more raw feel to it. Its sportier, more harsh, louder, but has a way more connected feel, more tanklike, and has a more nimble feel. Also, the 2nd gen has more storage due to a larger console, column shift level, and larger storage pockets around the cabin. Passenger space wise, the third gen has redesigned seats and positioning that makes it far more comfortable, atleast in the first rows. As far as engine, the 3rd gens are faster trucks. The 5.4l 3v from my 05-06(2nd gen) and my 07-08(3rd gen) are problematic, so avoid those years. Some third gens get decent fe but its a wash. My 09 nav rwd avg 20 on the hwy. If you want comfort, a pre refreshed late model third gen expy/el(nav) with air suspension is one of the most comfy vehicles in autodome. 2nd gens with air sus are almost as comfy, but finding one without problems will be damn near impossible. For reliability and a daily driver thatll be rock solid, 04 expys are beloved by those who have em, check the 2nd gen threads and youll see what im tlkn about.

 

[Machete]

Don’t buy any V8 w DOHC and VVT. It’s a bomb waiting to go off. See FordMakalucoTech videos.

 

[rjdelp7]

The 3.5l V6 has the exact same design, except it has turbos...aka more things to break.

Don’t buy any V8 w DOHC and VVT. It’s a bomb waiting to go off. See FordMakalucoTech videos.

 

[JExpedition07]

Don’t drive a 5.4 3 valve/ 6 speed if you are leaning toward a 2nd gen, it’ll be harder to settle for the old 2 valve. They feel like slugs with that old 4R70, no passing power compared to the 3-valve with variable cam timing and 6R80. Other then that fine trucks.

 

[MasterX]

Don’t drive a 5.4 3 valve/ 6 speed if you are leaning toward a 2nd gen, it’ll be harder to settle for the old 2 valve. They feel like slugs with that old 4R70, no passing power compared to the 3-valve with variable cam timing and 6R80. Other then that fine trucks.

You seem to be forgetting that 05+ has the 3V with VCT, i would know, i have one, and yes im quite sure its a 3V, because the heads match my 2007 Mustang GT which i race. And that 5.4 3V has tons of power. I actually have a 2009 Expedition also, and while i do like the 6 speed more for its little bit more agility thanks to those 2 extra gears, its not a massive difference. I actually drive the 05 mainly as its the 4x4 and the one i have all tricked out, and rednecked up the way i like it. See here:
https://www.expeditionforum.com/thr...r-heavy-towing-package-4x4.43445/#post-391283

And its now got 210,000 on the clock, with no oil leaks, and everything still works.

BTW, got some 3V haters in here, but i can attest, after all the work i have done on my Mustang which is also 3V, haters will always find something to B**** about, i have found my 3V to be FAR superior to my older 2V mustangs in both power and reliability.
I have 3 of the 3V engine vehicles:
2005 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer, 4x4, Heavy Towing Package, 5.4L 3V with 4R75 Trans
2007 Ford Mustang GT Deluxe, Manual, tons of mods, but factory internals and solid as a rock, tweaked, modded, dyno-tuned, Mach 400 Clutch, Alum-Driveshaft, intake, Exhaust, headers, Android 8 Head unit, Nitto 555 G2 Tires, and a lot more.
2009 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer, 4x2, Heavy Towing Package, 5.4 3V with 6 speed trans

I also came from a 2004 Mustang Cobra before it got totaled in a parking lot, so im quite familiar with these mod motors, the 3V is just fine, anyone who thinks its a turd, or is defective in design, just got a bad one, or doesn't know engines. Other than some earlier versions that got problematic Cam Phasers i have heard from other people about, i haven't seen these problems.

 

[JExpedition07]

You seem to be forgetting that 05+ has the 3V with VCT, i would know, i have one, and yes im quite sure its a 3V, because the heads match my 2007 Mustang GT which i race. And that 5.4 3V has tons of power. I actually have a 2009 Expedition also, and while i do like the 6 speed more for its little bit more agility thanks to those 2 extra gears, its not a massive difference. I actually drive the 05 mainly as its the 4x4 and the one i have all tricked out, and rednecked up the way i like it. See here:
https://www.expeditionforum.com/thr...r-heavy-towing-package-4x4.43445/#post-391283

I’d bet your 2009 isn’t 3.73 gears, it’s a noticeable difference with 3.73s.

 

[MasterX]

Actually it is, heres the sheet, BTW, due to my experience i can tell the difference between the motor being significantly stronger, or just some better trans gearing making it seem that way.

 

[rjdelp7]

You seem to be forgetting that 05+ has the 3V with VCT, i would know, i have one, and yes im quite sure its a 3V, because the heads match my 2007 Mustang GT which i race. And that 5.4 3V has tons of power. I actually have a 2009 Expedition also, and while i do like the 6 speed more for its little bit more agility thanks to those 2 extra gears, its not a massive difference. I actually drive the 05 mainly as its the 4x4 and the one i have all tricked out, and rednecked up the way i like it. See here:
https://www.expeditionforum.com/thr...r-heavy-towing-package-4x4.43445/#post-391283

And its now got 210,000 on the clock, with no oil leaks, and everything still works.

BTW, got some 3V haters in here, but i can attest, after all the work i have done on my Mustang which is also 3V, haters will always find something to B**** about, i have found my 3V to be FAR superior to my older 2V mustangs in both power and reliability.
I have 3 of the 3V engine vehicles:
2005 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer, 4x4, Heavy Towing Package, 5.4L 3V with 4R75 Trans
2007 Ford Mustang GT Deluxe, Manual, tons of mods, but factory internals and solid as a rock, tweaked, modded, dyno-tuned, Mach 400 Clutch, Alum-Driveshaft, intake, Exhaust, headers, Android 8 Head unit, Nitto 555 G2 Tires, and a lot more.
2009 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer, 4x2, Heavy Towing Package, 5.4 3V with 6 speed trans

I also came from a 2004 Mustang Cobra before it got totaled in a parking lot, so im quite familiar with these mod motors, the 3V is just fine, anyone who thinks its a turd, or is defective in design, just got a bad one, or doesn't know engines. Other than some earlier versions that got problematic Cam Phasers i have heard from other people about, i haven't seen these problems.

The Mustang and Expedition engines are similar in design, but not interchangeable and internally different. One designed for performance, one for towing and low rpm driving.

 

[Machete]

The 3v 5.4 are notorious for VVT failures. It is well documented. If you are a mechanic you know this to be true. Maybe not the 3 you own of course
The 2v 5.4 is not a fast truck which is what seems to be of interest to you but the torque curve is low and for what it was designed to be at that time has proven to be the most trouble free platform in 5.4 series due to simplicity.

 

[Machete]

I’d consider a new Expy if they offered the 5.0 vs 3.5tt

 

[MasterX]

The 3v 5.4 are notorious for VVT failures. It is well documented. If you are a mechanic you know this to be true. Maybe not the 3 you own of course
The 2v 5.4 is not a fast truck which is what seems to be of interest to you but the torque curve is low and for what it was designed to be at that time has proven to be the most trouble free platform in 5.4 series due to simplicity.

As i said, get the revised design cam phasers(and not the dorman ones), and put the issue to bed forever, all engines have their little issues when first designed, the 2V had ****** head flow, better on the PI heads but still not great.

 

[MasterX]

The Mustang and Expedition engines are similar in design, but not interchangeable and internally different. One designed for performance, one for towing and low rpm driving.

Didn't say the whole engine was interchangeable as in swapping them between, but the alternators, heads, valve covers, sensors, many brackets, cooling tubes, pistons, seals, water pump, spark plugs, coils, most timing components, most of the gaskets, and countless other parts are fully interchangeable. The main differences are the stroke(Crank, Rods, Deck height, timing chain), manifolds, cams, and tuning.

 

[albertobb]

Hello
Greetings
A query, in the third generation with 5.4L sefi, vvt, ffv, soch

If you have a variable opening valve and sequential fuel injection, in all the third generation, that is, 2007 to 2014, or 2009 to 2014, does anyone know?
because perhaps within generations the 5.4L models improve and the last one will correct the detected faults
good day