Timberline vs Z71 Tahoe 6.2

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Today I had a chance to drive back to back my Timberline and a co-workers 2022 6.2 Tahoe Z71. I actually spec'd the Tahoe for this co-worker. The Tahoe feels slightly smaller and a little sportier when sitting in the drivers seat. You immediately notice the seat is firmer and the steering wheel rim is smaller. The nav screen in the Tahoe definitely seems dated compared to my 15" screen. The ride is very similar but the seats in the Timberline are softer. I do like both vehicles but I was shocked how well the Timberline pulled compared to the 6.2. I have always been an old school V8 guy and was really reluctant to buy the 3.5 V6 - I now have no more reservations and am shocked how it felt compared to the 6.2. I feel like I made the right choice. Seems crazy but my co-worker now wants to sell the Tahoe and buy a Timberline after driving it back to back.
510 lb/ft of torque @ 2250 rpm vs 460 lb/ft torque @ 4100 rpm is a huge difference in drivability. Would like to see how much torque the 6.2 is putting out at 2250. Edit - just checked and it looks like 6.2 has around 390 lb/ft.
 
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The seats in the Expy are far more comfortable than the New Denali XL, Suburban, Tahoe etc. I find the GM seats narrow and short.
 

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I wonder how the longevity and engine repairs compare. Hard to research. Everyone with a problem gets on line and makes their issue sound like an epidemic. I hate complexity when it comes at minimal benefit.
 

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The 6.2 has JUST as much complexity. It has cylinder defeat to try to save fuel. The 3.5 has a long track record now. It is no longer a new motor.

Honestly ANY of us that have owned any EcoBoost powered Expedition since 2015 could have told you it pulls harder than the 6.2. Even the non HO does. It has all of it's torque sooner.
 

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Before I ordered my XLT, I sat in a new z-71 Tahoe and the seats were stiff and uncomfortable. The Expedition seats are definitely softer.
 

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I love V8's I love the 6.2 in the Raptor. But reality is times have changed. It used to take displacement to make HP. Now its all flow, boost and computer controlled perfect mixtures, temps and timings. In 1911 Fiat had a 28 Litre 4 Cyl. And old race cars used to have 18L engines and produced little HP. This is my first eco boost (Timberline) and I love the engine and its power.
 

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I love V8's I love the 6.2 in the Raptor. But reality is times have changed. It used to take displacement to make HP. Now its all flow, boost and computer controlled perfect mixtures, temps and timings. In 1911 Fiat had a 28 Litre 4 Cyl. And old race cars used to have 18L engines and produced little HP. This is my first eco boost (Timberline) and I love the engine and its power.

True indeed! The old paradigm
"there's no replacement for displacement" should be changed to
"there's no replacement for displacement, however, total performance may be significantly further enhanced with diverse boost technologies....":)
 
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I love V8's I love the 6.2 in the Raptor. But reality is times have changed. It used to take displacement to make HP. Now its all flow, boost and computer controlled perfect mixtures, temps and timings. In 1911 Fiat had a 28 Litre 4 Cyl. And old race cars used to have 18L engines and produced little HP. This is my first eco boost (Timberline) and I love the engine and its power.
I have a 2014 Raptor with the 6.2. Its much stronger than the new Tahoe 6.2. Compared to my Timberline the initial off throttle response is better in my Raptor but the Timberline really picks up a around 2k rpm and pulls hard.
 

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Gearing makes a difference also. Your timberline has 3.73's where the tahoe probably has 3.42 or 3.23 gears.
 

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The 6.2L is gutless down low, so the Expedition feels tons stronger on daily driving.
 
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Gearing makes a difference also. Your timberline has 3.73's where the tahoe probably has 3.42 or 3.23 gears.
That's very true but even when driving 35-40 mph I was surprised at the difference all the way up to 70
 

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I test drove a Denali with 6.2L in it and I wasn't impressed at all. All it did was make noise and not go anywhere. IF you revved it to the moon, then it would finally make some power!
 

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True indeed! The old paradigm
"there's no replacement for displacement" should be changed to
"there's no replacement for displacement, however, total performance may be significantly further enhanced with diverse boost technologies....":)
That's catchy..... look for it on a meme soon....
 
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Recently went from an 18 Expedition Limited to the Timberline. The V6 is an excellent engine and out performs the 5 liter Ford. We also have an 18 F150 V8. V6 out performs.
 

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Recently went from an 18 Expedition Limited to the Timberline. The V6 is an excellent engine and out performs the 5 liter Ford. We also have an 18 F150 V8. V6 out performs.
the turbo V6 is great. Sounds like a vacuum cleaner under hard acceleration, but I digress....The performance is really good. very fitting that it is being used as a people mover, no need for hard accelerations all the time. Quiet, comfortable power, cruising effortlessly in high gear, that it does wonderfully.
 

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I actually think the HO engine has a decent but very subtle exhaust note. I always wanted a little more from my F150 but have never heard a decent exhaust for the Ecoboost engine. I'm a little jealous of my wife's Expedition Max SPP.
 

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This post is a little old but just in case newcomers are looking for more advice:

Just bought my Timberline and traded in my 2020 Raptor. Same engine (minus 10 hp). I drove the Yukon Denali with the 6.2 and was shocked at how crappy the ride felt and how slow that engine is. I thought “how could so many people be okay with this? It’s subpar at best.” My friend who has the Yukon AT4 immediately chipped it and put the cat back exhaust on it because it was so slow. I don’t know how much that helped - I do know they’re selling it though.

Very happy with the Expedition purchase.
 

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Felt like this was the best thread to respond to but this seems like a good place to send this along. Not that it will help, as I have been told time and time again Ford doesn't look at or care about forums on the web.

I recently spent a full week with a rental 22' Chevy Suburban Premier. It had 25k miles on it and was actually in pretty good shape for a rental. This particular model, was a Premier edition, with HD tow, and a few upgrades. I just thought I'd come on and give my thoughts after a full week with this rig. And I want to preface this with the fact that this barely competes with my Platinum, I would generally consider a Yukon Denali a little more like the Platy, maybe this is more like a Limited. But regardless, I'll give my thoughts.

Interior:
I'm sorry, in many ways this beats the Expy. Far more leather, and less plastic. I do prefer the cluster in the expy, but the controls both physical and digital crush the 22' expy. You don't need a 15" display to make something usable. The seats in this were heated, cooled, and included both massage and the infamous driver alert vibration system. the seats had better lateral control and felt more comfortable. the doors felt far more rigid and the sound they made was more secure. They also seemed to have better weather stripping just about everywhere. The center console was more functional, including the substantially larger bay for wireless phone charging. My phone is pretty small and barely works in the expy, but this was much larger! the software for the touch screens seemed much more responsive than even the latest updates for Sync 3.4.

Driver dynamics, electronics:
I have to say, this is one that makes me the most annoyed. My window sticker literally says "Heads up display" and Ford considers stupid red LED's that flash when you're coming up on a vehicle as a heads up display. I had a better HUD on an 90's Mitsubishi. But the Chevy's HUD was amazing. It had everything from speed, to fuel efficiency, to navigation, to even adaptive cruise info. Fully functional, even better than the Navigators display. This ****** me off, you pay more for the plati and this thing is so much more functional. The stereo (which in this was the Bose upgraded system) was also better. Lower volume and higher volume music was better. I personally think a lot of that has to do with the stage. This system not only has tweeters at the listeners level in the front, but far more. In the dash, there is a center channel as well as at least 4.5" if not 3x5 or 4x7 speaker's in the front. the best mid to high sound for front passengers is what radiates off the windshield and this really helps. The sub was pretty much the same. But the mids and highs were much better. I absolutely hated, hated, hated the gear selection functions. those buttons you have to push and pull were terrible, and on paddle shifters. Hated that SOOO much. Even worse than our dials. I didn't like the location of the trailer brake controller or some of the other knobs to the left of the steering wheel though.

Drivetrain:
This section is a little hard. hte acceleration was no where near as "powerful" as the 3.5ECO. But I will 100% say that the 10SPD seemed to match the V8 a whole lot better. While the acceleration in the 3.5ECO is more dramatic, heavy acceleration in the Suburban wasn't as dramatic but felt much smoother. The tranny responded to shifts during heavy acceleration better, and didn't seem to be searching for gears nearly as badly. I sort of feel like the busrty nature of the turbos causes the tranny to be on edge if you will, where as the V8 was more predictable. I will say, I broke the rears loose several times, was interesting with the very low V8 torque that quickly dropped, vs. the pretty nuts torque after 1500 RPM. In this big rig I managed to get some pretty good MPG, at least 18 at sea level. One thing I thought crushed the expy, was the sound. The low rumble and high RPM sounds coming from the 4 exhaust tips on this were substantially better than stock Expy and even after the thousands I've spent on my exhaust, not only does it look better, but it sounds way better.

Suspension/steering:
The suspension was actually pretty nice. I personally way more prefer an air suspension over the magnetic fluid. My last two vehicles had air suspensions (and were way cheaper than my expy) and rode so much better. I think Ford opting for the mag fluids is a bit of a cheap choice. The Suburban and pretty much the same bobble head experience as my expy pre-upgraded sway bars but riding over rumble strips and cattle guards was way nicer. Potholes, speed humps, etc were way better and it just had less road noise. The steering was pretty equal, although the Suburban seemed to have roughly the same turning radius even though it's larger, that's not a scientific measurement but it felt close. I hated the brakes, they were super squishy and just didn't respond well at all until you pounded on the. The breaks alone were pretty scary.

Overall, I still really like my expy, but I can completely understand why this product family is beating sales and has attracted a lot of folks lately. I know the expy has better towing and better overall stats, but Ford I don't believe is competing on the creature comforts front right now. certainly not when you're comparing the premium Ford (not Lincoln) with the lower class GM.
 
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