Turbo wastegate questions

[Bones]

My 2018 wastegates are ready to be replaced. I have 90,000 and they have be rattling for the last 30,000. I had the cam phasers replaced so I know the sound they make when they go bad and that isn't the cause of the rattle at start-up. I think the wastegate replacement is covered with my extended warranty.

#1. Is the engine oil replaced when the wastegates are replaced?

#2. On an average how long does the dealership take for the replacement?

#3. Any disadvantages not having them replaced?

#4. Any disadvantages having them replaced?

 

[SyndicateZ]

My 2018 wastegates are ready to be replaced. I have 90,000 and they have be rattling for the last 30,000. I had the cam phasers replaced so I know the sound they make when they go bad and that isn't the cause of the rattle at start-up. I think the wastegate replacement is covered with my extended warranty.

#1. Is the engine oil replaced when the wastegates are replaced?

#2. On an average how long does the dealership take for the replacement?

#3. Any disadvantages not having them replaced?

#4. Any disadvantages having them replaced?

Ford will not replace under warranty or extended warranty. They say that the noise is "normal" wastegate noise and does not cause functional issue. I know this cause both my turbo wastegates rattle like crazy, I brought her to the dealer and they say its normal and will not replace them. When I brought it in I was still under the manufacturer powertrain warranty (58,000) miles AND have a Ford PremiumCare extended service plan after the 60,000.

If they do replace yours, please update us on this and how you got them to replace them.. I have heard from some people that Ford would only replace the turbos/wastegates if you were still low on miles after buying new like around no more than 20,000 miles.

Ford knows about the rattle that develops eventually with these turbos. Its a manufacturer flaw but Ford will not put any type of recall on them since its mainly a noise issue. If they did put a recall or whatever on it they would be replacing almost every 3.5 liter ecoboost turbo for free, which would prolly put Ford out of Business

 

[LazSlate]

My 2018 wastegates are ready to be replaced. I have 90,000 and they have be rattling for the last 30,000. I had the cam phasers replaced so I know the sound they make when they go bad and that isn't the cause of the rattle at start-up. I think the wastegate replacement is covered with my extended warranty.

#1. Is the engine oil replaced when the wastegates are replaced?

#2. On an average how long does the dealership take for the replacement?

#3. Any disadvantages not having them replaced?

#4. Any disadvantages having them replaced?

Some people have added small springs to the linkage to keep them from rattling saving a ton of work for new ones.

 

[5280tunage]

I have two things here. I have had both turbos replaced, at less than 10k miles for this rattle. It was a completely nightmare to get Ford to agree to do it, it took almost 9 months of fighting Ford customer care, with weekly requests to escalate. They almost offered to just buy it back because of this. UNREAL!

With that said, it was about a 2 day job from start to finish. And I don't believe the replaced the oil at that time. But I can't be sure.

Finally, I have springs ready to go, but when I look at the process to install them, I'll have to wait until I have both front wheels off. And yes, I'm slowly but surely getting the rattle back at 36k miles.

 

[2020FordRaptor]

Our Raptor has the same noise and Ford said it was normal. Like mentioned above it is not a functional issue. Did a lot of research and it is correct.

 

[APExpo]

Is the Wastegate rattle still an issue on the newer engines, like ‘21 and up? Like others have said, Ford refused to replace them on my ‘18, but I keep hoping they’ll update the part on the newer models like they (supposedly) have done with the cam phasers.

 

[Wangle]

I have never heard the waste gate rattle on my 2018 with 27000 miles. If a brand new one does it, then it is normal. If it is very noisy and the brand new one does not do it, then it is not normal and I would be contacting an attorney. Sounds like a class action lawsuit just waiting to happen.

 

[SyndicateZ]

I have never heard the waste gate rattle on my 2018 with 27000 miles. If a brand new one does it, then it is normal. If it is very noisy and the brand new one does not do it, then it is not normal and I would be contacting an attorney. Sounds like a class action lawsuit just waiting to happen.

Good points

Its only normal if they made this noise new as well.

 

[BMW2FORD]

The wastegates in my 2018 rattled just about all the time even when hot and could be heard in a drive thru as well as cold starts at about 65k. I also noticed the boost gauge would fluctuate about 2 or 3 psi on steady load highway driving. Dealer changed the turbos which includes them as well as the oil feed line with filters for both turbos as well as the return line and they’ve been quiet for 5k and no boost fluctuation. Car never set a check engine light while the boost fluctuated. The tech mentioned there was some rattle from the wastegate rod but most of it was at the hinge and shaft point for the wastegate doors inside the turbos turbine housing.

 

[GlennSullivan]

Good points

Its only normal if they made this noise new as well.

I can easily think of half a dozen class action lawsuits that could be made against Ford based on their ridiculous denials of thousands of peoples legitimate warranty claims

 

[SyndicateZ]

I can easily think of half a dozen class action lawsuits that could be made against Ford based on their ridiculous denials of thousands of peoples legitimate warranty claims

yea

I just think its dumb when I complain to them about constant rattle noise at cold start And normal driving and they come back and say its "normal wastegate noise". I feel like Ford should have had something informing people that paid over $55,000 for a new vehicle that eventually the turbos will rattle. They say the noise is normal so they dont have to pay. Mines rattle at startup for 30 seconds on both sides, then quites down after the adjustment. But whenever i rev the engine they rattle and when I accelerate they rattle loudly. so bad

 

[itsjammin]

For a newer 2018 owner, can someone show me a video or diagram of where the wastegate is located? I’ve looked up a few videos but hard to get a clear idea because mine are rattling and I’m wanting to place the springs on them.

Thanks!

 

[Mr Big]

For a newer 2018 owner, can someone show me a video or diagram of where the wastegate is located? I’ve looked up a few videos but hard to get a clear idea because mine are rattling and I’m wanting to place the springs on them.

Thanks!

Mine hasn't started yet. There are a few pics out there. I just read most of the time it's the linkage causing the rattle. The spring makes it stop faster but grease and an e-clip stops the rattle.

 

[5280tunage]

There are several videos out there, of folks with F150's for example that show the spring install. I tried to get under there and do mine but I think you have to remove the wheels and pull apart the fender linings to really get to it. Just haven't had the time. I had both of my turbos replaced and it took 9 months of fighting with Ford, with less than 10 miles on a pretty expensive car. They almost wanted to do a buy back, seriously, over this?

Anyway, I think it might be the Makuloco guy that did a video of the turbo during a replacement and he literally shows you the wastegate door that is responsible for the sound. It's just a bad design destined to wear out for everyone. Funny, I read even the new Toyota TT has started having wastegate issues, wonder if they use the same turbo manufacturer...

 

[AAOO]

I did the springs with the wheels on the ground. If you know what you’re feeling for it’s easy. Fixed my rattle on cold start by about 95%. Took about 2 minutes per side to feel around for the anchor points.

There is also a TSB that you can maybe get them to do. I’m going to try to get them to do it next time I’m in for service. The TSB is for 2017 F-150’s but I believe we have the same setup.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2020/MC-10171858-0001.pdf

 

[SyndicateZ]

I did the springs with the wheels on the ground. If you know what you’re feeling for it’s easy. Fixed my rattle on cold start by about 95%. Took about 2 minutes per side to feel around for the anchor points.

There is also a TSB that you can maybe get them to do. I’m going to try to get them to do it next time I’m in for service. The TSB is for 2017 F-150’s but I believe we have the same setup.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2020/MC-10171858-0001.pdf

You must have some long arms haha

 

[VCFP153]

Even the ones on my 2015 Expy don't seem to rattle yet, albeit the miles are still low, 72K.

 

[5280tunage]

You must have some long arms haha

The TSB for the earlier F150's did nothing for mine the first go around. For me, Ford finally replaced the turbos completely, which actually got me about 30k miles, but the sound like absolute crap again. I've bought the springs but they look like an absolute pain to install. Its a pretty crappy design and Makuloko has a video out there about why they do this. Funny, Turbo's are nothing new, why a fancy new design is done so poorly in some areas blows my mind.

 

[5280tunage]

I did the springs with the wheels on the ground. If you know what you’re feeling for it’s easy. Fixed my rattle on cold start by about 95%. Took about 2 minutes per side to feel around for the anchor points.

There is also a TSB that you can maybe get them to do. I’m going to try to get them to do it next time I’m in for service. The TSB is for 2017 F-150’s but I believe we have the same setup.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2020/MC-10171858-0001.pdf

Do you have any pics of the anchor points you used, when I looked under there real fast I couldn't see anything that looked good to use.

 

[bityw]

Do you have any pics of the anchor points you used, when I looked under there real fast I couldn't see anything that looked good to use.

See my post (#12) on this thread. One end on the linkage and the other on the oil line. It can be accomplished with the vehicle on ramps.

Post in thread 'I can hear my turbo!'
https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/i-can-hear-my-turbo.56506/post-514562